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12-12-2022 , 08:29 PM

widerspiel7

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Join Date: Jun 2022 Posts: 26

PokerStars - 15/30 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 2 players

SB: 34.33 BB
Hero (BB): 15.67 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8

SB raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) 4

Hero checks, SB checks

Turn: (4 BB, 2 players) A

Hero checks, SB bets 1.53 BB, Hero calls 1.53 BB

River: (7.07 BB, 2 players) 2

Hero checks

Its 1$ game on stars. Whats your plan on the turn? Do you ever x/r here or just call? Or what different line do you take?

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12-13-2022 , 08:55 AM

RandomLurker

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Join Date: Nov 2022 Posts: 544

c/c. You don't have that many ax here so you are basically raising jx for value and spades. Also that check is really suspicious that should be a 100% bet. I would rather raise a betbet here with T8s. That check just feels so trappy.

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12-26-2022 , 05:43 PM

mug3n

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Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,746

No reads or anything about the villain?

I think pre and flop are both standard, x/c is standard on turn as well, you're getting something like 22% pot odds to draw to your flush here, a backdoor flush at that, so your hand looks quite disguised when you do hit.

When you brick out the river, I just don't think there are many credible value hands you can rep here. So just x/f.

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03-12-2023 , 05:48 AM

coffeeyay

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,536

This is almost always a turn probe bet. In most cases the reason to x instead of bet with this hand is to x/r.

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03-15-2023 , 03:59 PM

Redwinee

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Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 8

What sizing should we use while probing turn like this?

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03-16-2023 , 03:30 AM

MAXEV

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Join Date: Aug 2022 Posts: 23

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Originally Posted by Redwinee

What sizing should we use while probing turn like this?

pot size, bec you rep a Pola range

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03-16-2023 , 09:59 AM

coffeeyay

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3/4 pot is generally fine as a turn probe spot in pretty much every situation you're turn probing. In theory you can sometimes pot, sometimes not--but you run into issues like exposing yourself to error by potting it on this board where the added size folds out very few added hands and just pays the turned Ax off even harder. Bigger turn probe sizes also expose your draws to value shoves more.

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03-16-2023 , 02:43 PM

Redwinee

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Ok, it makes perfect sense. Thank you.

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