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08-14-2011 , 07:53 PM
Are you on twitter?
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08-14-2011 , 08:12 PM
how would you recommend a beginner goes about learning superturbos besides playing loads?
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08-14-2011 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by crimsonchin
I'll share an insight with you guys that could be huge for some but is no secret to cash players. Think of hunlhe as a solvable game in which everything is about the mandatory blinds the two players post, and button raising being an attempt to steal the big blind. Think how a computer would solve this game, it would analyse every range in every spot and the right action against it. It would have a plan ready for every possible turn and river card. Obviously it would be betting extremely frequently and there would be a lot of spots where he starts betting a made hand for value and bluffs with it on a later street. Finally, it would have calculated an optimal betsize for every action, which depends on his ratio between bluffs and valuehands for the bet and obviously how the opponent reacts to sizing.
Dont you think there are far too many variables, even at stack depths of around 20BB, to be able to solve or estimate a gameplay for perfect "ranges",
dont you think that with this approach, your game becomes rather unexploitable then optimal.

dont you think, that most of your money you win just comes from regs still beeing a bit dumb and not scientific(theoretical background) enough and making too many theoretical mistakes yet?,

do you think that sometimes with this approach you end up taking thinner edges (for example preflop), you lose sometimes bigger edges ( for example on later streets), so you lose your advantage in some areas of the games (like gaining and evaluating quicker informations)

Do you think it might happen that with playing perfect ranges you miss spots for (i call them) creative plays and you become easier to play against/ more predictable.

Do you really think that with your level of play you are close to the top of the possible play?
Or might it be possible that a lot small things add up for even getting quite a bit better?

In which situations and on which streets do you think most regs mess up the most in making fundamental mistakes?

You seem to be very competetive, did you do any sports?

not a well about livb, but what was his favourit track discipline (my guess 800-1500m)

some questions you kind of answered already before to berndsen etc. so feel free not to answer some.

What was the most ******ed question I asked? (pls quote this)

thanks for your time
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08-15-2011 , 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by crimsonchin
We weren't on friendly terms at first but I understood the unfluence of tilt and frustration that grounded that, he was still a person I looked up to. At one point liv needed to loan 30k on very short notice. We didn't knew eachother and hadn't talked before aside from ftp chat and I said yes. He really appriciated this and invited me to stay with him and his family for thanksgiving.

I was really excited about this - I'd always wanted to go to the US and I looked up to this guy and thought he was really cool. He was engaged at the time (married now) and his fiance had two stepchildren only a little younger then myself, which kinda made me fit in like a third kid, which was pretty funny. I planned to stay for a week and ended up staying for six weeks and almost moved to NY close to them. I had a really fascinating time there, liv would take us to all kinds of opera's and theatre plays, and some more typical american stuff, like a basketbal game which was really cool to see for real. Very memorable weeks.
Sounds like loads of fun, I've been to the US twice now, and I love it. New york is just amazing....

Did u guys talked & played alot of poker during that time?
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08-15-2011 , 04:35 AM
How do you think top hs cash game players (e.g., ivey, durrr, jungleman) would fare against top turbo HU sng players (e.g., livb, you, skaiwalkurrr) in HU sngs?
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08-15-2011 , 05:19 AM
Apologies if these have been asked.

1) Do you use HEM? If you do, why, and if you don't why not.

2) Assuming you are talking to a total fish, what is the best way to learn super turbos from scratch?

Thanks.
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08-15-2011 , 05:38 AM
Saw one of your vids on HUSNG, cool accent.

1). Who is your favorite comic book super-hero?

2). Playing a (not very good) player who's stats are: Call Open: 42%, BTN raise 74%, 3bet 13% (over 200+ hands)
What would your 3bet vs his open be like, at X (a few different) many BBs, and why? And at what point would you be too shallow to 3bet/fold vs him and not 3bet so wide?
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08-15-2011 , 05:53 AM
Do you think it's good to have a planned daily routine for poker (ie start playing first session at x hours, play for x hours, take a break etc) or it's better to just play when you feel like playing and do other stuff when you dont?
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08-15-2011 , 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by crimsonchin
I started poker as a plan to generate an income, 200s seemed like a good standard to work to and at the time I thought I would be satisfied at that level, because you could make 5 figs a month there which seemed like all the money in the world. It took me over a year to get to that level but after that it all went automatically. It seemed easy to move up higher and I had the ambition for this and nothing better to do with my time. I have always been well rolled, usually 50-100BI's because the amounts to play for always scared/intimidated me.

If you have 2% roi over 800 games you have to consider how accurate that is. If you feel like you're crushing you should move up but if your roi is actually 2% you might have to improve before considering to move up.



- Haven't been to Amsterdam often, couldn't give you better advice then any travel guide.

- The only amount that would make me stop playing would be any amount that is guaranteed to be enough for the rest of my life. If not, there's a good reason to keep playing, for it might never be this easy to make money at a later stage in my life.

- If isildur played less tables and didn't do that dumb preflop **** he would be really really good at husngs. Its some small details in his play that impressed me, he would feel tendencies very well in small spots that no one cares about.

You're kidding about the music right
have u thought of a specific amount that would set u for life? i keep thinking of one and every time i reach some sort of conclusion it takes me few days to realise that wouldnt be enough LOL
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08-15-2011 , 06:52 AM
hi, (deep or short stack) vs a 70+ % sb opener Mers like to shove 22, 55 etc ... because it s +ev
what do u think of this approach ?
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08-15-2011 , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Brocky
Are you on twitter?
No, I don't understand why so many ppl are.

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Originally Posted by G3NGAR
how would you recommend a beginner goes about learning superturbos besides playing loads?
Search some of mersenary's topics, he has some site going that you have to pay for but should have great content on superturbos.

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Sounds like loads of fun, I've been to the US twice now, and I love it. New york is just amazing....

Did u guys talked & played alot of poker during that time?
Oh yeah new york was amazing, everything was like from the movies, the only real city in the world. We played a lot during this time but didn't really talk much strat as we already played pretty similar - I had copied a fair amount of his game.
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08-15-2011 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by crimsonchin
100k - 8
50k - 7
10k - 5/6
0 - 3/4
-50k 1
-100k 1
Baller ITT...
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08-15-2011 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Valuelol
Dont you think there are far too many variables, even at stack depths of around 20BB, to be able to solve or estimate a gameplay for perfect "ranges",
dont you think that with this approach, your game becomes rather unexploitable then optimal.

dont you think, that most of your money you win just comes from regs still beeing a bit dumb and not scientific(theoretical background) enough and making too many theoretical mistakes yet?,

do you think that sometimes with this approach you end up taking thinner edges (for example preflop), you lose sometimes bigger edges ( for example on later streets), so you lose your advantage in some areas of the games (like gaining and evaluating quicker informations)

Do you think it might happen that with playing perfect ranges you miss spots for (i call them) creative plays and you become easier to play against/ more predictable.

Do you really think that with your level of play you are close to the top of the possible play?
Or might it be possible that a lot small things add up for even getting quite a bit better?

In which situations and on which streets do you think most regs mess up the most in making fundamental mistakes?

You seem to be very competetive, did you do any sports?

not a well about livb, but what was his favourit track discipline (my guess 800-1500m)

some questions you kind of answered already before to berndsen etc. so feel free not to answer some.

What was the most ******ed question I asked? (pls quote this)

thanks for your time
- I mean even if there are a million variables its still solvable, only a matter of time and computer capacities. I don't see how this approach would contribute more to being unexploitable then optimal, but the two go hand in hand of course.

- Yes surely, and a lot from fish.

- I will always take any edge no matter how thin, I think you should at my stakes irregardless of your approach to the game. I have like a 2% roi if I don't take every small edge I won't have an edge anymore.

- No, actually taking this range approach includes merging your ranges very well to be unpredictable. In general players that play 'creative' just do a lot of ******ed ****, trying to win every pot etc, make too many hero calls. I think you're best off just trying to play somewhat straightforward.

- No I think I could improve a ton, but like I said before, there is not much value improving beyond this point, it will probably hardly increase my roi but be a ton of work.

- I think most regs mess up on river spots a ton. I mean river spots are hard to play, you don't see them that often so its harder to make an accurate estimation of ranges.

- I have done sports, rugby, boxing, and while I was pretty good at the physical part I was terrible at any skill in the sport itself.

- Idk, I think the 1600m?

- Most ******ed question what livb's best track discipline is, I don't know and its easy to look up.
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08-15-2011 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by beserious
How do you think top hs cash game players (e.g., ivey, durrr, jungleman) would fare against top turbo HU sng players (e.g., livb, you, skaiwalkurrr) in HU sngs?
I've seen ivey and durrr play cap and they do some terrible stuff (durrr flat 66 hu at like 25-30bb, ivey 4b jam Q7o) so I think they would lose. Jungleman seems like someone who would understand husngs very fast.

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Originally Posted by razor25
Apologies if these have been asked.

1) Do you use HEM? If you do, why, and if you don't why not.

2) Assuming you are talking to a total fish, what is the best way to learn super turbos from scratch?

Thanks.
1) I used pokercopilot because I have a mac, but its pretty bad and I've switched to PT3 and am very happy about that.

2) See 2 posts above
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08-15-2011 , 07:43 AM
How big in term of poker skill do you think the difference is between top cash HU player and Husng?
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08-15-2011 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by qetou
Do you think it's good to have a planned daily routine for poker (ie start playing first session at x hours, play for x hours, take a break etc) or it's better to just play when you feel like playing and do other stuff when you dont?
What's great about a routine is that it forces you to some volume, but also limits your volume which forces you to do some other things instead of being just obsessed with poker. Seems to be a good approach to really treat poker like a job. What I dislike about a routine is that it doesn't allow you to play long session when you're playing well and quit when you're not doing so well (note that this is not the same as winning or losing, you can obviously be winning and playing bad and visa versa).


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Originally Posted by vulcain999
hi, (deep or short stack) vs a 70+ % sb opener Mers like to shove 22, 55 etc ... because it s +ev
what do u think of this approach ?
I do this to. It depends on stacks and obviously there is an open % where it becomes ev-, look for where he said this, I'm sure he posted a calculation to support it.
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08-15-2011 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by seboutchhh
How big in term of poker skill do you think the difference is between top cash HU player and Husng?
The top in hu cash is without a doubt much more skilled then husngs.
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08-15-2011 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by crimsonchin
I've seen ivey and durrr play cap and they do some terrible stuff (durrr flat 66 hu at like 25-30bb, ivey 4b jam Q7o) so I think they would lose. Jungleman seems like someone who would understand husngs very fast.



1) I used pokercopilot because I have a mac, but its pretty bad and I've switched to PT3 and am very happy about that.

2) See 2 posts above

Do you think beginners are best off playing without a hud and simply getting used to ranges and hand reading?
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08-15-2011 , 08:08 AM
You should focus on both, a hud will allow you to make a better estimation of ranges.
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08-15-2011 , 08:25 AM
great well! I am really enjoying reading it. Thanks for doing it
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08-15-2011 , 08:47 AM
which stats in hud you recommend to use (hyper, turbo, regular)?
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08-15-2011 , 09:01 AM
A bunch of pros say poker bores them but they keep playing for the money. Will you keep playing when you get bored?

Why don't you respect people who don't completely emerge themselve into something?
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08-15-2011 , 09:15 AM
why dont you play more HU cash multitabling matches? (as it seems you would enjoy them)

if husngs disappeared (yea, lol) what games would you play and would you play them as often as husngs?

name 1 sport and game which in your opinion has most smilarities to HUNLHE.

what pr0n do you enjoy? (that is except horse porn)
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08-15-2011 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Air-Bear
A bunch of pros say poker bores them but they keep playing for the money. Will you keep playing when you get bored?

Why don't you respect people who don't completely emerge themselve into something?
I'm already bored of it but keep playing.

I haven't said that I don't respect people who don't emerge themselves into something, I merely admire those who do.

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why dont you play more HU CASH multitabling matches? (as it seems you would enjoy them)

if husngs disappeared (yea, lol) what games would you play and would you play them as often as husngs?

name 1 sport and game which in your opinion is most smilarities to HUNLHE.

what pr0n do you enjoy (that is except horse porn)
- I've played a good amt of hu cash at high stakes but I didn't get action anymore, only from really good players who I wasn't willing to play.

- Plo cash

- Tough one, I don't think chess is very similar but obviously you'd have to look for other 1 on 1 thinking games. I'm afraid I don't know many.
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08-15-2011 , 10:52 AM
Do u smoke? What brand?
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