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08-18-2011 , 04:42 PM
Thoughts on limping? I know vs fish you decrease variance and increase your postflop edge (implied odds)/roi this way but have you ever tried it?

Can limping ever be part of a viable strategy when shallow (vs regs)?

I mean I have railed livb limp fold under 15bb before, as well as limp raising and showing up with AA, KK, A9 etc... But I supposed he does some crazy sh*t.

I just don't think it can be part of optimal play though?

Edit- Obviously I didn't see the post before me- though I am interested in thoughts on limping over 30bbs too
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08-18-2011 , 04:53 PM
Epic thread and congrats on all your success Alex. I've not spoke to you a while! I think the last time was when you were asking me if i could get you some substances in London!

1,How big an impact did binking a big MTT score have on your career do you think? I remember at the time i was at a similar level to you when that happened and then you just never looked back! Did you pay for some high coaching? Or did you just take huge confidence from that win and really apply yourself even more into husngs?

ALl the best bud
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08-18-2011 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by crimsonchin
I'll share an insight with you guys that could be huge for some but is no secret to cash players. Think of hunlhe as a solvable game in which everything is about the mandatory blinds the two players post, and button raising being an attempt to steal the big blind. Think how a computer would solve this game, it would analyse every range in every spot and the right action against it. It would have a plan ready for every possible turn and river card. Obviously it would be betting extremely frequently and there would be a lot of spots where he starts betting a made hand for value and bluffs with it on a later street. Finally, it would have calculated an optimal betsize for every action, which depends on his ratio between bluffs and valuehands for the bet and obviously how the opponent reacts to sizing.
Am I wrong in thinking that a computer playing a solved game (unexploitable) will not care how you react to bet sizing? I mean, it would not tailor a bet size to a specific opponent, right?
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08-18-2011 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jakester1288
Why don't you work out the EV of each of the plays, then you'll know yourself?
who told you i have not been working on the ev of these and a lot more spots???
i just want to know what he will do cause they are all pretty close.and i am not taking into account if this opponents can 3 bet fold.

thanks you lotte and good luck.great well so far.
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08-18-2011 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by monkii
Am I wrong in thinking that a computer playing a solved game (unexploitable) will not care how you react to bet sizing? I mean, it would not tailor a bet size to a specific opponent, right?
Technically, no. Playing unexploitably is just that. Computer will assume you are playing the same (unexploitably), so it will bet a size that is unexploitable whatever you do (i.e. maxmize the EV in the worst case scenario for the computer depending on your actions). Basically whatever you do cannot make it worse than what the computer can get in the above case (can only make it better).

The problem with solving poker is that it might only be weakly solved (like draughts/checkers). This means that we know and can verify the optimal play for both sides. However, there are infinitely different actions one can take which are not optimal (e.g. raise 2x, 2.1x, 2.01x ... etc etc)- and it might change the game completely in some subtle way so that we need to solve the game in this scenario again. And there are **** loads of suboptimal scenarios/plays...
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08-18-2011 , 07:23 PM
through my videos watching, and forum browsing activities, i havent read much on the "overall game plan" aspect you're talking about alot at the beginning of the thread . Could you just give an example or elaborate very briefly (because i am not sure i really understand what youre talking about) ?
Thanks
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08-18-2011 , 08:11 PM
I probably will come with a few more questions, but so far just wanna say, very nice well sir
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08-18-2011 , 09:42 PM
Has anyone ever asked if you were Lotte Lenya? Did you choose this name because of a love for James Bond?
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08-19-2011 , 02:51 AM
crimsonchin . what you think about russian players Kotik-Narkotiks and iseeyouthrough?
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08-19-2011 , 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by crimsonchin
Gasoline smells kinda good to.
Cokehead itt

Great well, thanks alot for taking the time to give us such honest and straightforward answers (unlike, ahem, some other people in some other subforums). And I sure hope you weren't kidding either about making more vids.
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08-19-2011 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Happyz
i believe you mentioned earlier that if you were to teach someone to beat husng's form the ground one of the things you'd learn the person all the 25 BB math.
what math is this? is there more than 3bet/4bet jamming and calling ranges ?
That's the bulk of it but obviously there's more math to it then just that. Just like there is in deeper stack poker, math to cbetting and barreling etc.

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i have the same problem, any tips?
Get a large monitor, maybe two, use a hud for playing and learn how to use those statistics, practice. If you face a tough opponent you don't have to force yourself to two table, its fine to one table some opponents.

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Originally Posted by vargha7
Sorry for being pushy, but I'm very excited about this one.

Do you ever consider limping over 30bbs? For example; if your opponent 3bets 30%+ do you think that a polarized stealing range can be more profitable with a mixed limping range than just decreasing your steal range to let's say 60%?
Or any other scenarios where limping above 30bbs?
I've never really incorperated it much into my game, I think it can definitely have a place in your game, especially shallow: if villain allows limps you can limp a certain range (maybe a range that you'd consider too weak to open, but if villain allows limping even 23o has the odds to limp). If villain attacks your limps very wide you can traplimp.
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08-19-2011 , 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by chesslw
Thoughts on limping? I know vs fish you decrease variance and increase your postflop edge (implied odds)/roi this way but have you ever tried it?

Can limping ever be part of a viable strategy when shallow (vs regs)?

I mean I have railed livb limp fold under 15bb before, as well as limp raising and showing up with AA, KK, A9 etc... But I supposed he does some crazy sh*t.

I just don't think it can be part of optimal play though?

Edit- Obviously I didn't see the post before me- though I am interested in thoughts on limping over 30bbs too
I've never cared about decreasing variance, I think that really shouldn't be influencing any of your decisions, just look at ev. While deeper stacks in position should increase your edge, so do bigger pots in position, and if you limp you won't really ever get to put a deep stack to use so you neglect that advantage if stacks are deep. So yeah more shallow there's a place for limping in your strategy but I haven't figured much of it out yet, raising is still superior in a lot of spots because FE against bb is where a lot of your profit OTB should come from.

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Originally Posted by All_or_Nothing
Epic thread and congrats on all your success Alex. I've not spoke to you a while! I think the last time was when you were asking me if i could get you some substances in London!

1,How big an impact did binking a big MTT score have on your career do you think? I remember at the time i was at a similar level to you when that happened and then you just never looked back! Did you pay for some high coaching? Or did you just take huge confidence from that win and really apply yourself even more into husngs?

ALl the best bud
I started crushing slightly before that but it gave me a huge bankroll for the stakes I was playing and made it easier to move up, so I never had to worry about variance anymore.

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Originally Posted by monkii
Am I wrong in thinking that a computer playing a solved game (unexploitable) will not care how you react to bet sizing? I mean, it would not tailor a bet size to a specific opponent, right?
A supercomputer should incorporate how you react to certain sizes from history. Even if it doesn't getting into the very technical details of what is a solved game, what is not, what a computer could do and what not is wasting time as I merely used it as a metaphor for my way of approaching strategy to the game. Obviously you should include your opponents reaction to different betsizes in your decisions.
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08-19-2011 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Tagueule
through my videos watching, and forum browsing activities, i havent read much on the "overall game plan" aspect you're talking about alot at the beginning of the thread . Could you just give an example or elaborate very briefly (because i am not sure i really understand what youre talking about) ?
Thanks
A very simple example would be if your opponent is a calling station your gameplan will be to valuebet very thinly and not bluff, and if your opponent is nitty you will try to run as many bluffs as you credibly can.

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Originally Posted by YertleTurtle
Has anyone ever asked if you were Lotte Lenya? Did you choose this name because of a love for James Bond?
Lotte Lenya was a german actrice/opera singer, she indeed had a role in a James Bond movie when she was older. I randomly picked her name but I do love James Bond.

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crimsonchin . what you think about russian players Kotik-Narkotiks and iseeyouthrough?
Both are pretty tough in supers and annoying to play, but especially iseeyouthrough plays ******ed and is easy to crush when stacks are anything over 25bb.
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08-19-2011 , 09:41 AM
The other week when people were ripping on isildur in husng's you came in and said he did a lot of interesting/intelligent things that you'd never seen before. Care to elaborate on what you meant by this?

What are your strategic thoughts on playing MTTs online? How do you approach playing an online MTT. How come you don't play many of them?

Your favourite book, your favourite poker book or article?

good luck
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08-19-2011 , 10:11 AM
How did you manage to single table for such a long time? As in don't get really bored with poker/don't add at least one more table to increase your hourly?
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08-19-2011 , 10:19 AM
what do you think about domonox? we played a couple of ST on FT, maybe you remember
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08-19-2011 , 10:21 AM
with how many bb do you stop minraising? most highstakes player seem to do it w/ 7bb is it a big leak at higher stakes to be pushing with 10bb or even 12bb?
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08-19-2011 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by TakeHerOnACruise
The other week when people were ripping on isildur in husng's you came in and said he did a lot of interesting/intelligent things that you'd never seen before. Care to elaborate on what you meant by this?

What are your strategic thoughts on playing MTTs online? How do you approach playing an online MTT. How come you don't play many of them?

Your favourite book, your favourite poker book or article?

good luck


For example, I think I randomize my 3bet bluffs well and isildur opens 85% but would openfold a ton when I was about to make a 3b bluff. While this could be coincidence its pretty likely he just feels people out very well. Other then that while he did ******ed **** pre I haven't seen him do stupid **** postflop. He would be hard to bluff but at the same time never make a dumb calldown.

I don't enjoy mtt's, their boring, the poker part of it is not interesting at all, theyre depressing and they don't run online at high stakes near enough and finally I'm not good at them, it would take time to learn. I think in mtts you should play tighter and more straightforward then all husng regs would tend to do. Most of the field is gonna play ******ed and 4b jam too wide etc so I think a good strat is to play relatively tight and 3b/4b for value really light.

As for favourite books, I love a bunch of series; Artemis Fowl (this is such a cool serie anyone will like this), Harry Potter and a dutch serie about the 100y war in France, which I don't think is every translated. Poker books are pretty bad in general but 'One of a kind', a biography about Stu Ungar is a pretty good read.

Last edited by crimsonchin; 08-19-2011 at 10:28 AM.
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08-19-2011 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by crimsonchin
-, I remember one weekend I was bored and played some online chess on my dad's computer and he had rybka on it (for those who don't know thats a chess computer thats like 100x better then any player in the world) and would just put every move into that and crush everyone and they'd be like oh damn youre sick thanks for playing against me I'm learning tons from this.
Lol doing this right now... it's fun
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08-19-2011 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by miniwiz
How did you manage to single table for such a long time? As in don't get really bored with poker/don't add at least one more table to increase your hourly?
Well I was crushing really hard 1-tabling and making a ton of money and I didn't seem to even beat it adding a table for a every long time.

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what do you think about domonox? we played a couple of ST on FT, maybe you remember
I can't really say much to these questions other then that you seemed good, and good enough to beat the field at any level but I thought you had leaks that I could make money off, that I obviously won't explain.

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Originally Posted by higHstaKesOwneR
with how many bb do you stop minraising? most highstakes player seem to do it w/ 7bb is it a big leak at higher stakes to be pushing with 10bb or even 12bb?
Depends on your opponent, there are also some hands that you can't minr/call but can openshove profitably for a certain stacksize so you can have a minr and openshove range at those stackdepths.
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08-19-2011 , 11:03 AM
What happened to your avatar? :< You could at least replace it with sth...
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08-19-2011 , 11:07 AM
If you had never played poker in your life, and you found yourself on this forum in a random way. Do you think you could start from the bottom and go on to have high stakes success?
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08-19-2011 , 11:09 AM
What kind of PC do you use?
How many monitors do you have? How big are they?
What kind of chair do you use?
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08-19-2011 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by crimsonchin
Poker books are pretty bad in general but 'One of a kind', a biography about Stu Ungar is a pretty good read.
Ha that's actually my favourite too.

Last edited by TakeHerOnACruise; 08-19-2011 at 11:35 AM. Reason: **** worst 3k post ever
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08-19-2011 , 11:24 AM
Ive railed your games here and there.
I notice Bjoerni and Fishenzon seem to do well against you. Perhaps its just selective memory.

Why do they have an edge on you? You seem to tilt or just give up vs Fishenzon I notice.
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