Hi 2+2,

I played two interessing hands recently, the first one is against a very agressive player (35% 3bet, 73% cbet 44% second barrel), i transform my hands into bluff river (pretty funny showdown he ends up calling me with a worse 7). I hadn't this read that he was a calling station. I'm very interessing too to know what would you do here against an unknown and against a regular ?

Holdem no limit Tournament (0€ + 25€)
Winamax Poker - 2 players
Converted with HandConverter.fr
En partenariat avec PokerTest.fr

Stacks:
BTN - DSLATETD1GRO (820)
BB - Hero (680)

Blinds: 40/80

Preflop: (120, 2 players) Hero is BB with T 7
DSLATETD1GRO calls 40, Hero checks

Flop: 8 9 K (160, 2 players)
Hero checks, DSLATETD1GRO bets 80, Hero calls 80

Turn: 7 (320, 2 players)
Hero checks, DSLATETD1GRO checks

River: K (320, 2 players)
Hero bets 210, DSLATETD1GRO calls 210

Total Pot : 740
DSLATETD1GRO shows 6 7 (Two pairs : Kings and 7)
Hero shows T 7 (Two pairs : Kings and 7)

Hero wins 740 from pot


I just wasn't sure about my check flop oop and the call river on the second hand.

Holdem no limit Tournament (0€ + 25€)
Winamax Poker - 3 players
Converted with HandConverter.fr
En partenariat avec PokerTest.fr

Stacks:
BTN - jvtplumer (730)
SB - Hero (470)
BB - theos57100 (300)

Blinds: 10/20

Preflop: (30, 3 players) Hero is SB with 7 A
jvtplumer calls 20, Hero calls 10, theos57100 checks

Flop: A 9 6 (60, 3 players)
Hero checks, theos57100 checks, jvtplumer bets 60, Hero calls 60, theos57100 folds

Turn: J (180, 2 players)
Hero checks, jvtplumer bets 120, Hero calls 120

River: Q (420, 2 players)
Hero checks, jvtplumer bets 280, Hero calls 270 (all-in)

Total Pot : 970
Hero shows 7 A (One pair : Aces)
jvtplumer shows K 3 (Flush Ace high)

jvtplumer wins 970 from pot


Thank you very much for your answer !

A+

H1 is the easiest check down against anyone in the world, you have a lot of showdown value against Ax, some Qx and underpairs as well as straight draws that don't try and bluff river.

2nd hand c/c flop c/c turn fold to that river card. If the river was 8h for example the decision becomes more difficult. People don't triple barrel bluff that much, all the flushes got there, tons of straights got there, a lot of two pair combos got there and you might have been behind the whole way with such a weak kicker.

+1

Dont post the results it ruins it

Ok thx ! For the first hand, can't he have 8x and 9x that beat me ? I found that i had one of my weakest hand river (i probably check shove FD flop, don't have A x, maybe some rare floats oop). I can value TP+, maybe Q9. I don't have the impression that vilains expect others players to turn a pair into bluffs very often but i have probably wrong. It was my thinking process in game. I've also increased my sizing

Sure, be he is not folding them on paired board.

Hmm yeah right ^^

It was too ambitious, it would be different if the river was a blank but no brainer check here indeed. Thanks for the answer !

second hand shove turn imo first hand check river

1. check back river
2. jam pre, if not check jam flop, if not check jam turn, reason being fish will call you with 9x and flush draws at 30s. Againt reg probably c/c line is better..

Agree with all of this.

Wow ok sick, it seemed to me to be a very weird line to c/r here
I probably miss a lot of explo play, i'm not a regular of this format.

OP, what's your chipEV at this level and over how many games?

In the first hand there's no reason to bet river at all, he's almost never folding an 8 or better, and your bet is too big to effectively block. I'd also check-raise the flop.

In the second hand, if you take this passive line it turns into a guessing game. You have a great hand preflop and at the flop and turn. If you didn't think there was a reason to bet or raise before, it's because you wanted to induce a bluff, and if that's what you were doing then unfortunately you have to call river also. Unless you can specifically put him on a draw.

On the second hand, i don't put him particularily on a draw too since he bets pot on the flop. I check call because i found that we were a little too deep to check jam here, i expected him to fold on a shove with most of his hands, there is another player behind me he can calls with worse pair if i call, and i can induce bluff because i don't rep a very strong hand with my preflop over limp.
He probably don't have a very good hand too.

On the first hand, i hesitate to check raise the flop but i find that we have better combo to do that with which the EV of check call is lower.

Otherwise, i'm not a fish.
38,2% ev itm, 71 chip ev/tourney on this stake on 3900 games.
I just used to label the hands in which i think i've made a mistake, or decision that wasn't very clear for me in game. Those hands are not that obvious for me.

That's very nice chipEV if you play any decent volume. I guess winamax is a lot easier than stars? Maybe I should move to europe and start playing there

Actually the rake on Winamax is 7% on every BI even 100€. It's 6% on PS > 25€ for few months and 5% on 100€, and all the regs on winamax played now on PS. The game is a little bit tougher than before but still beatable.
There are some reg fish, but i guess it's the same on .com
So if you play under 25€ i would clearly recommend to play on Winamax, Pokerstars is probably the best choice if not gl

On pokerstars.com it's 5% for $15 and over, 6% on $3 and $7, and 7% on $1.

Well, it's a little bit more than that, if you do the math, it's actually 7.5%, 6.38% and 5.26%. Not that it matters a lot.

Still 71 chipEV with 7% rake is the same pre-rakeback as 60 chipEV with the 5% rake on stars, which only the top players get on $30 if they play 2000 games a month or more (decent volume). And then you probably get more rakeback than the average supernova on stars, right?

no its not even close, assuming supernova is 40%.