The first one is a though spot with a read, we had played 80 hands at the moment, he is a 82/63 from the SB with 20 F3B , and he stabs any TP even with weak kicker IP and OOP with a pot bet, every single TP he has show me had the same betting pattern.

Thoughs of the hand.
1): I've should 3-bet larger somewhat like ~200
2): The C/R line based in my reads i think was fine (maybe should be smaller), he will be shoving here all his kings due to his mindless agressivity with TP and also due to the FD i think.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $30(BB) Replayer
Hero ($1,496)
($1,504)

Dealt to Hero 8 8

raises to $60, Hero raises to $150, calls $90

FLOP ($300) 2 4 K

Hero checks, bets $180, Hero raises to $510, calls $330

TURN ($1,320) 2 4 K J

Hero checks, bets $844 (AI), Hero folds

wins $1,320

Of course i folded because his turn line was really strong, in the next heads up i caught him with the almost the same line with a busted FD and lose his whole stack, but calling the shove here with 88, nevermind.



With this second hand i'm looking for some advice to how to get the best value here with this kind of hands and flops.


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $20(BB) Replayer
Hero ($1,480)
($1,520)

Dealt to Hero K K

raises to $60, Hero raises to $140, calls $80

FLOP ($280) 4 4 6

Hero bets $120, raises to $320, Hero raises to $1,340 (AI), calls $1,020

TURN ($2,960) 4 4 6 5

RIVER ($2,960) 4 4 6 5 Q

Hero shows K K
(Pre 72%, Flop 79.7%, Turn 88.6%)

shows A 6
(Pre 28%, Flop 20.3%, Turn 11.4%)

Hero wins $2,960

First, i think my 3-bet again was pretty small, should fix that leak ASAP, the flop donk bet was smallish to look like i want to take the hand involving a little piece of my stack and let him think he have tons of FE here, but to his raise, which is the best way to extract value ?

Shove as i did?
Flat call?
Min raise to commit more chips willing to shove any turn?
Slowplaying and letting him try to get us out of the hand?

Woah, wtf is going on in the first hand... You 3b then don't c bet with just 1 over? I don't play many regsp/turbs but I don't see how a c/r can ever be good there.

Hand 2.. standard

[QUOTE=Brocky;29106957]Woah, wtf is going on in the first hand... You 3b then don't c bet with just 1 over? I don't play many regsp/turbs but I don't see how a c/r can ever be good there.

Because i had a read i though it was worth to try. :P

don't you think flatting hand 2 is fine to keep his bluffs in his range?

wat was your read exactly that you think c-r here is fine against this player?

His psb with TP, but i've should cb OOP and fold to a raise??

you are certain about your read it looks like, why do you fold turn then? his flop bet wasn't a psb so if you believe your read, he hasn't got Kx

ye but his turn line was really strong, don't you think he will be shoving all his kings to my C/R??

Yeh flatting his raise is fine, I don't mind either play to be honest, flatting keeps his bluffing range in but might scare him off should the turn be a dangerous card.

i might not shove over you c-r with Kx cause i do not think you would call anything worse then Kx when i shove

But you don't play 3.5's turbos ^^.

imo preflop sizing with KK is bad, also i would just flat his raise, he seems like the spazzy type and doesn't have enough 6x in his range for us to valuetown him, imo he is bluffing very often here. also there is no reason to think that he doesn't bet any turn with a pair of 6's "for protection". generally i am a fan of fastplaying oop, but in this spot because our equity is nearly always 90 or 10 percent, i think we can flat.

It's just a really bad habit to call raise and fold like you did in the first one. If you c/r the first one then you can't fold the turn that doesn't make any sense, it's not like he's "proving" he has Kx that's a pretty expensive "test"