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10-19-2020 , 05:03 PM
PokerStars Hand #219544688736: Tournament #3030343084, €9.20+€0.80 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (30/60) [AAMS ID: M4F45115E92E4BJT] - 2020/10/19 22:52:54 CET [2020/10/19 16:52:54 ET]
Table '3030343084 1' 3-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: pensodasolo (670 in chips)
Seat 2: eldiablo131 (830 in chips)
eldiablo131: posts small blind 30
pensodasolo: posts big blind 60
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pensodasolo [6s 8h]
eldiablo131: calls 30
pensodasolo: raises 90 to 150
eldiablo131: calls 90
*** FLOP *** [9d 6c Kh]
pensodasolo: checks
eldiablo131: checks
*** TURN *** [9d 6c Kh] [4s]
pensodasolo: bets 100
eldiablo131: raises 580 to 680 and is all-in
pensodasolo: ?

I am worried about the whole line. I check the flop to get a card , maybe improve on the turn, but at the same time I would always cbet this dry flop without a pair. Is checking the flop here too much exploitable? ( Reg would think: "didn't bet a dry flop on a raised pot= bottom,midpair, underpair)
On the turn, considering that he has checked back I bet small for value, but the thin bet probably signals too much weakness ( maybe someone could see it as a bet to induce, dunno). Btw I folded.
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10-19-2020 , 06:09 PM
I would just check turn. There's not much you get value from with a turn bet. Draws will call, but then river is brutal for you being oop. I also would not cbet this flop when I have air exploitatively too. Don't think player pool is folding nenough.

Last edited by HokieGreg; 10-19-2020 at 06:17 PM.
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10-19-2020 , 06:38 PM
Thanks, in which % do you check flops like this with air?
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10-19-2020 , 08:06 PM
Not sure. I just do what's best for individual hands when playing fish. I don't really aim for certain frequencies. I'm definitely checking this flop with a very weak range...not trying to balance it. If I'm ISO that size with a hand like 86o here it's because I think villain is overfolding to nai ISO. If he's overfolding to nai ISO, he's going to have pretty good equity on this flop (I don't think he has so much KX, but just a lot of gutshot/pairs/etc, not much pure air). I think a small cbet + barrel is better than cbet give up here fwiw (if we have air), but I'm just checking. Villain doesn't have enough bluff combos to really crush us even if he thinks we're weak (bc he folded them preflop).
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10-19-2020 , 08:31 PM
I hate the iso. You have bottom of your range, just check. You can iso-all-in jam any Ax, any pair, plus some suited trash to get 20 to 25% iso jam. On non-all iso, maybe merge AKs, AA, KK, QQ, plus some good suited connectors like 9Ts, 89s, 76s. 65s I iso jam most of the range, esp. vs people like villain who prob. have a full 80% call vs nai iso, estimated and likely station off vs non-all-in iso with wide range and call wide if they hit any piece, draw, mby even wider. Basically the death trap of HU is isoing weak and then being stationed off (or folding post)
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10-19-2020 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by EPTchips
I hate the iso. You have bottom of your range, just check. You can iso-all-in jam any Ax, any pair, plus some suited trash to get 20 to 25% iso jam. On non-all iso, maybe merge AKs, AA, KK, QQ, plus some good suited connectors like 9Ts, 89s, 76s. 65s I iso jam most of the range, esp. vs people like villain who prob. have a full 80% call vs nai iso, estimated and likely station off vs non-all-in iso with wide range and call wide if they hit any piece, draw, mby even wider. Basically the death trap of HU is isoing weak and then being stationed off (or folding post)
I definitely don't think the average player is limp/calling here 80% of the time. Idk if ISO is better than check (I would check), but imo most players fold here 25-45%ish here and for sure is folding to cbets sometimes (we can use 1/4 or 1/3 pot cbet sizes on a lot of boards!). Also, average player limp/raises too much value so their limp/call range is very capped. I don't think avg player is limp/calling w like K3o Q4o J5o T6o type stuff - of course you see it some but you also see guys on the much nittier side of the spectrum too. Small raises and small cbets just don't have to work very often to be quite profitable. Also, 86o isn't really bottom of our range. It's a much better bluff combo than the suited connectors bc ISO the suited connectors pot commits us vs a limp/jam (which we probably don't want to do).

I would pay attention to villain's VPIP when considering this ISO. Definitely avoid doing it vs the lower VPIP guys. Also, if villain is the type to limp/call almost any two, you probably got some indicator of this before you reached 11 big blind stacks.

Last edited by HokieGreg; 10-20-2020 at 12:00 AM.
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10-20-2020 , 08:39 AM
Id also check this pre but I dont think this is a bad iso neither that it is good iso.
As for postflop, Imo everything is kinda fine, it not like you will get better roi because you check or cbet this, but Id go with check because of the reasons Hokie mentioned, as played same on the turn but Im folding always if they raise, imo you are crushed.
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10-20-2020 , 09:30 AM
fold
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