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11-25-2013 , 11:33 AM
he's still a fish though, i really REALLY don't understand how he makes money
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11-25-2013 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by n0bigdeal
Hey guys,

I'm voluntarily entering the thread to help round out the conversation, not to have everyone jump down my throat like frequently happens on 2+2 threads. I like peacemaking, and hopefully I can make a little right now. Please be respectful to me and vice versa.

A couple of disclosures before I start:
1)Tim is one of my very close friends in the real world.
2) I'm not a HU player, so i'm not familiar with codes of ethics in this community.
3) I strongly disagree with the way he talks to players at the table. He sees it as part of the competition, much like 2 opposing athletes talking to eachother during a game. Like it's just part of the battle. It makes me want to vomit.
4) Off-subject, but he's actually the nicest person I know in real life, no joke. (weird, hey?)

Now, to the issue at hand:
Everyone has to understand that he had absolutely 0 idea that this type of arrangement was in place. He has never once complained to me that he disconnected and didn't get money back. Normally when he disconnects he bitches to me about the internet, and chalks it up as a loss. Let that sink in. He legit believes when he disconnects, that it's part of the game and his money is gone. Therefore when his opponent disconnects, it is also part of the game.

This was not a case of "Look at the money i stole by being unethical!!". It was a case of "oh cool, my opponent is disconnected, that's +EV for me". If you frame this situation that way, it's not a person being "bad", it's a person just being happy winning the game.

He is never on 2+2 or other poker communities, this isn't some common practice that he was aware of. My advice to everyone is to proceed with life, and do not send him his money back if he disconnects.

Did he steal? Absolutely not. Was it unethical? I don't know enough about HU to make a decision on that. I'm totally open to conversation here guys as long as everyone treats each-other with respect. I'm sorry to OP that this situation got out of control. I never like to see anyone feel hurt.

Ben
Dealer: 1slask has 15 seconds left to act
1slask : yo i find a thread about u on 2+2
1slask : u steal sngs and brag about on facebook
TimmyOx: i most certainly do not lol
TimmyOx: but thanks. i'm aware
TimmyOx: i could care less.dude
1slask: u answered tho
1slask: so u cared a little bit
TimmyOx: i'm here to make money
TimmyOx: and i'm making it regardless of whether i get sat by regs

he doesn´t care and he´s making money wether he gets sat by regs or not..

so what is your intention here? he doesn't need your help...
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11-25-2013 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by yay
he's still a fish though, i really REALLY don't understand how he makes money
Money management, work ethics, mental game. Hu hypers strategy isnt everything, would say its not even majority of skillset you need to make money.
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11-25-2013 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by $ha-korti

he doesn´t care and he´s making money wether he gets sat by regs or not..

so what is your intention here? he doesn't need your help...
He definitely doesn't need my help, I found this thread independent of him and posted without him knowing. My intention is just to add some perspective. And state my opinion that a labeling someone a "thief" is very harsh for what unfolded.

If you have an edge on him, by all means sit him, you'd be foolish not to. He'd probably encourage it to be honest, he loves a good battle.
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11-25-2013 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by n0bigdeal
He definitely doesn't need my help, I found this thread independent of him and posted without him knowing. My intention is just to add some perspective. And state my opinion that a labeling someone a "thief" is very harsh for what unfolded.

If you have an edge on him, by all means sit him, you'd be foolish not to. He'd probably encourage it to be honest, he loves a good battle.
yeah, he obv. loves a good battle..

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Originally Posted by card-paladin
when i sat timmyox in 100s in stars, he told me he doesnt want play regulars ahahahaha.

obv sat4life, i will never let him sit even 60s, Thanks for telling us!
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Originally Posted by DopeyMcDope
TimmyOx: who the phuck are you?
DopeyMcDope: THE DON
TimmyOx: some 30s reg lol
DopeyMcDope: oh no you didn't!!!!

TimmyOx declining and running away from "some 30s reg" at 60s lol
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11-25-2013 , 12:10 PM
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He'd probably encourage it to be honest, he loves a good battle.
Haven't played him so no opinion at all of his skills, but after all the posts here going along the line "too bad he declines quickly", that doesn't sound too serious to me.
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11-25-2013 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by zilltine
Money management, work ethics, mental game. Hu hypers strategy isnt everything, would say its not even majority of skillset you need to make money.
yup that is definitely true, if you master everything except playing very good play you will likely still succeed in poker
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11-25-2013 , 12:15 PM
i agree that that is bit too harsh to call it stealing, when fish disconnects its ok to not send back, because they also wont send back, but in reality many regs also wont send back, and if he doesn't know would he get his money back if he would be one who disconnected, why send?
Id send back only if I know person would send back to me and I dont expect someone who i dont know to send back if I disconnect, even if he is reg and we have shared lobby for months.
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11-25-2013 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by zilltine
Money management, work ethics, mental game. Hu hypers strategy isnt everything, would say its not even majority of skillset you need to make money.
his mental game seems to be a joke. no money management when he was 4 tabling me at 350s. I guess he must have a good work ethic.

He is still a wanker in my eyes and i shall stil be sitting him for fun.
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11-25-2013 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by kobmish
Haven't played him so no opinion at all of his skills, but after all the posts here going along the line "too bad he declines quickly", that doesn't sound too serious to me.
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Originally Posted by $ha-korti
yeah, he obv. loves a good battle..
I stand corrected.
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11-25-2013 , 12:28 PM
I think it isn't a big problem that he didn't send back. I would send back if a reg DC, and I know that player is a reg, and he wasn't a jerk to me before. But I wouldn't be offended if someone wouldn't send me back (although I would prob mention at 2+2, and I wouldn't send back to him either).
The problem is the facebook bragging, or whatever stuff.
But I think most of us sit him because he isn't good enough to share.

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Originally Posted by yay
he's still a fish though, i really REALLY don't understand how he makes money
There are a lot of players whom I heard, play the same weak, nitty game, and crush, because they bumhunt 24/7
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11-25-2013 , 12:41 PM
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The problem is the facebook bragging, or whatever stuff.
I agree, tho there is a problem with this sending back etiquette now. He cant ever send back anymore because no one will send money to him, this will only strenghtens peoples hate if he ever can blind somoene out again.

i just saw his facebook, that was totally classless lol. who in their right mind does that
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11-25-2013 , 01:21 PM
I won't give out the names, but there are tons of regs who have tons of leaks, have been playing the same since 2010, yet are still making money. Making money and being good at poker aren't always the same thing, although they have some correlations for sure.

As for the "stealing," I'm not sure if I can call it stealing. But yeah the Facebook part was kind of weird and made me facepalm. If anything, this reg is not being very serious or professional about poker, and he would have to pay for it sooner or later. That said, if regs decide to sit him it's (almost) purely for their own interest, rather than for the sake of pure ethical argument.

I thought of sitting him for a second but oh wait, I quit husng.
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11-25-2013 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by sman9876.
his mental game seems to be a joke. no money management when he was 4 tabling me at 350s. I guess he must have a good work ethic.

He is still a wanker in my eyes and i shall stil be sitting him for fun.
first time i hear Timmy 4-tabled reg. He doesnt even accept guys who just moved up from 15s @ 30s. Always assumed he has no ego problems like lots of guys do and in ~100 games i managed to get vs him he never did anything spewy.
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11-25-2013 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by zilltine
first time i hear Timmy 4-tabled reg. He doesnt even accept guys who just moved up from 15s @ 30s. Always assumed he has no ego problems like lots of guys do and in ~100 games i managed to get vs him he never did anything spewy.
first time? did you read op? he was 4 tabling, so this is at least 2nd time
also being spewy is not tha case with him
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11-25-2013 , 02:53 PM
nutpeddlers gonna nutpeddle.
funny how i heard that he was unfriendly in chat and when i played him, he talked supernicely. now i understand that he has two modes that he applies to get opponents to not sit him
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11-25-2013 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by none888
first time? did you read op? he was 4 tabling, so this is at least 2nd time
also being spewy is not tha case with him
given that its different buy-ins i`ll just assume OP raped all Timmy`s lobbies. That doesnt count imo
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11-25-2013 , 03:41 PM
This thread is pretty tilting tbh, ive restrained from posting until now,
I DONT KNOW TIMMY

but he hasnt really done anything wrong and certainly didnt steal a thing, fact is some regs send back some dont, your internet connection is your responsibility full stop.

I personally wait for regs and would send back equity if i know they would legit send back to me etc.

but its his choice and he is doing nothing wrong, ive been blinded out by regs before and havnt moaned about it because it is your fault. the standard would be to just mention it in the regs thread "i disconnected and X player didnt send back, so dont send back if he disconnects vs you" just as a warning to regs that do wait or send back as standard.

also i find it funny the amount of husng POLICE we have, im wondering where all you sicko reg hunters were when berndsen did something 100x worse, and when other regs have blinded people down like plauzee lol. Only reason your all chiming in here saying u played him or you have added to sit list is because you have heard he is really bad, if it was a reg with half a clue most of you wouldnt do Sh*t!

im not talking about the people that already sat him or sit other regs anyway.


also fwiw not saying timmyox has handled it well or anything either think bragging on facebook was dumb as f*ck, just saying i would be super annoyed if my name was referenced to stealing and ainec to stealing

if you were sitting other lobbies and he sat them too knowing you were disconnected then you could argue thats stealing but if he just blinded you out the games you already were playing then thats just his decision.
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11-25-2013 , 03:42 PM
He's nice to me also, no trashtalk, or things like that. But these WLs I think it's +EV for me to sit him...so...yeah, I'll continue until he prove me wrong
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11-25-2013 , 03:53 PM
yeh not saying sitting him is wrong or anything, just a combination of a missleading and out of order thread title and then everyday someone coming in and bragging about playing some one that isnt that strong and then making out its all because he did something terrible when it was purely because they heard he was legit bad.
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11-25-2013 , 04:23 PM
surprised it took almost 70 posts for someone to speak up. I have to agree, what Timmy did was not stealing, and up until the point that he brags about it I don't think it's scummy behaviour. I don't see why you would expect someone you do not know to freeroll you your equity in a tournament when you disconnect without any prior arrangement or a mutual acquaintance vouching. It's a negative freeroll for them, and while it is the nice thing to do, it's not something that should be expected, or punished when someone does not do this.
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11-25-2013 , 04:26 PM
Regardless of the dc situation. Im sitting him because of the **** he said in chat. Actually the day before this happened i saw him sitting 115s and i was wanting to sit him but was hesitant as were friends on fb and had talked a bit etc and ended up not sitting him that day. The next day he sits my 350s and calls me a phaggot etc lol. So sitting timmy has became a hobby of mine now.

Last edited by sman9876.; 11-25-2013 at 04:27 PM. Reason: All this timmy protecting is boring me. Please commence timmy bashing
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11-25-2013 , 04:26 PM
Well you are right about the title: it is misleading.

I am just gonna add some information that is probably necesary to understand why i were so pissed off:

- he always used to chat and trashtalk ("wp", "it is incredible how bad u r" etc) with me and obv asking me to quit playing him
- he joins my lowstakes and midstakes table instead of adding more at 200s/115s
- i disconnect
- he brags about it in fb
- i want to chat with him and talk about the issue (both ingame and skype) but he NEVER answered
- funny enough: i wanted to offer him that if he sends me and ftp would pay for disconnect i would send him back
- obv ftp payed
- since he did bragged at fb AND didnt answer me in skype/ingame i felt he deserved that i would share this info

-> he didnt "steal", shouldnt have said that, was really tilted
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11-25-2013 , 04:28 PM
I find it really weird that Timmy sits people and talks **** in chat, whenever i sit him I get the most polite, friendly chat, and politely declined and wished good luck at the end of the match.
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11-25-2013 , 04:30 PM
he just tries everything not to get sat, i've seen all his faces
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