Hey guys im still working on stat analysis as i have been for a pretty long time now

And im curious about some things towards population trends, but i cant figure it out on myself, because id literally have to play thousands of games at each and every stake level.
So I need help.

It might look like a lot of work, but its possible to do it in 15mins and pretty interesting imo.



this is a good way to see how our perception of terms such as tight etc differs from another, as well as

For example lets say for the range 3Bb

( 3 stands for third one from the top , aka 10-14bbs deep, B stands for UNKnowns mr range, and b stands for unknowns std mr/c range)

Imagine you have for range 3Bb; MR 70% , Call 22%. But in reality it is more like MR 50% call 22% thats a huge leak you just found right there, because your probably making the wrong adjustments/3betting too wide etc...

Obviously for all 3B(a/b/c) the MR % will be the same by definition, however for 3(A/B/C)b not all call% range will be the same.

Also when i say MR/call 22% i mean 22% out of 100% of hands, not out of once he has minraised.

Id prefer to see actual ranges, like A6o+,Q9s+ etc rather then % but if your really too lazy for that % will also give us some idea already at least.

Also state your ABI might be important.

Thx for your time

sounds interesting but honestly i have no idea how the graph works :S can you post an example so we understand what to do plz

yeah nvm prolly wasnt smart posting this here, too much work for 99% of 2p2 population ;D

all those data are given by pure population tendency guesstimations rather than a mathematical proof like u want, i suck at checking all that **** on my database so cant help too much in a detailed way, you are probably aware of the std population stuff at 100+ like me by empirical experience so cant do much i guess

no i will do it, its just my small mind can't work the graph out lol :P

New question:

Does your post make it a) more likely or b) less likely; that you will get better responses?

I would be happy to help too, but I honestly can't work out your table either.

Ok so the idea is that we get as many st players as possible to fill this out

ill fill out some examples so you know what its like

I start at the top of my table

So 20-25bbs deep area; (we call this 1, as in the first of 4 tables)

These are the possible kinds of combos we can make (of mr and calling vs jam guys)

- Minraises wide, Calls wide vs jam
- Minraises wide, calls "std" vs jam
- Minraises wide, Calls Tight vs jam

(this is
-1Aa
-1Ab
-1Ac

the big A standing for the wide minraise and the small lettre standing for wide call normal call or tight call

Moving on

1Ba Will be Unknowns mr range , Wide calling range
1Bb unknowns STD mr range , std calling range
1Bc Unknowns MR range, tight caling range


Ill give an example real quick how to fill this out ;


20-25bbs

1Aa ; Minraising range (imo) 84.6% =22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,82s+,72s+,62s+, 52s+,42s+,32s,A2o+,K2o+,Q2o+,J2o+,T3o+,95o+,85o+,7 5o+,64o+,54o
Wide calling range vs Jam; 24.9%
22+,A5s+,K8s+,Q9s+,JTs,A6o+,K9o+,QTo+,JTo


1Ab;
we just copy our minraising range, because that is the same as in 1Aa obv.
Minraising range (imo) 84.6% =22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,82s+,72s+,62s+, 52s+,42s+,32s,A2o+,K2o+,Q2o+,J2o+,T3o+,95o+,85o+,7 5o+,64o+,54o
STD calling range vs jam;
16.7% 22+,A6s+,KTs+,QJs,A8o+,KJo+

And so on you just try and fill it out completely and then we check what overlaps, but again, it would need a lot of people to fill it out correctly to actually combine our knowledge properly to have any kind of practical results from this, and since i realised it would prolly not be enough people willing to do so i figured, meh *** it :P

i think ur ranges are pretty good, even if we pick up 900000 players databases its gna change on the cutoffs and not make a huge difference, just be happy with that

i don think its "STD" to r/c with 22-44, QJs with 20-25bbs.

in my range i only selected half the hands you talk about prolly shouldve clarified that because its borderline std

altho then again, they can prolly be all included because std is the "average"

and unknown first hand might call like JTs but some times they wont call KJs

so i guess overall including QJs for half the combos isnt that far from accurate