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***If you are HokieGreg or Gkeuler you can just ignore this post as obviously you won't learn anything useful.***

This advice won't be perfect and in fact some might just be downright horrible. I encourage any counter points, critique, and disucssions if they are going to be in a civil manner. All you haters can go $#!+ a brick and go back to charging $300 for advice.

This hand history is a bit long so I am posting the first half now and the other half in a few days after comments die down on this half.

Eh. I don't usually call with T7o even facing a minraise. I'd like to hear more about facing minraises when deep from any readers. As for the flop, it is certainly attackable. We don't know anything about Villain's cb habits nor what he does facing CR's on a dry'ish flop. It's good to find out early and during cheaper rounds but we don't have much to fall back on if called so a fold is good.

Obviosly we are going to raise A7o on the button. It looks like you fall into the minraising school and small CB size school. I utilize the same basics. It can be argued we should raise bigger this deep and be CBing bigger but I like this small pot strategy. We can certainly get called by a bunch of worse hands when betting the flop (worse A, flush draws, Q high). Oops, he checkraised! He likely isn't doing this with an A so possibly has a K or flush draw or QJ/QT/JT. I probably call the raise like you did to see what he does on the turn. After the T and flush hit I think it's an easy fold on the turn.

Looks fine. Also looks like he won't auto stab every time with nothing on a super dry flop after limping.

Good PF raise. I usually open any face card until they make me not. Flop misses plenty so standard bet. He could be calling with ace high or an 8 or 67 or slowplaying a 5. Q gives us most likely the best hand on turn. I usually bet here as an 8 or 67 will often still call. I don't think a turn check would be bad either as the board is pretty dry and he could be reverse floating or looking to checkraise a 5. Then you could look to call a river bet or bet if checked to again. If I know he is really sticky then obviously I go for value on both the turn and river.

Standard.

Standard.

Villain has limped a button and minraised the rest. KQ is a hand I'd start testing out the 3 bet waters with. I don't think I like check/calling the flop really especially since he made a bigger CB size than the last one.

Ick. PF and flop is fine though sometimes I check this flop and maybe delayed CB. After the board runs out this bad I'd like a river bet. If he does happen to call, we see how stationy on a scary board he is. Letting him get to showdown with 22 is criminal!

Ah, Villain changed his raise size this hand. I like the fold with A6o. Offsuit crap aces don't play too well oop and his 3x range could be strong though we obviously can't know for sure yet.

PF is fine. I like betting the flop as we will get plenty of folds even though we theoretically have "showdown value" with our bottom pair. We can't be too happy calling any bets later. After he calls, he could have something like a K/5/4/spades/67/maybe A high or 22/33 again. Turn check is good. I don't think a bet would accomplish much. Facing a small bet I just call and see what he has. 62 huh? That's a pretty ****ty flop call by him and he should have bet the river much bigger given that you shouldn't have a K/5/flush. He calls pretty light PF oop so some boards which I may not CB vs other players I will vs him since his range is so wide/****ty.

Standard.

PF good. Flop good. LOL I'm trying not to look ahead when I think about what I'd do and I was thinking it looked like a good spot to check the turn and call a river bet again. Then I saw his huge river bet He obviously can have a 3 in his range as he is repping and he hasn't shown that he can bluff big yet.

I probably mindonk the flop or turn but I work a little more leading that some players. Otherwise fine.

PF fine. He mindonks for 20 into us. We have nothing. Fold is fine. He probably has "something". If I had a little something I'd call to see what he does on the turn.

Standard.

He mindonks again huh. Now I would raise him to see what's up. We really don't want him to be able to steal our initiative so cheaply. You have 2 overs if he happens to have a 6 or a 7.

Standard.

There we go. Now showing a little aggression. We could easily play a Q this way.

Standard.

Good.

Easy fold.

Standard.

Yay he open folds one.

PF is fine and flop is fine. The turn is a little weird. I have already seen the results but a big bet followed by a small bet is often a draw. I don't think the bet is small enough that he is using it to induce a raise. I might put in a small raise here to set my price for showdown if I wasn't sure if he'd bomb the river making me guess.

Fine.

Good. Some boards like AKx or KQx might be bad to cb vs a lot of other players but like we saw this opponent will play crap like 62s so his range isn't weighted towards mid/high cards.

Standard.

With a 3 bet this small and this deep a call seems fine and flop fold.

Another freebie.

Hmm. He isn't 3 betting or playing that agg. Open this.

Standard.

Ok, you can fold 95o.

Damn. I hate the flop check. Bet Bet Bet should be our line here. He isn't stabbing much and CR tips our hand.

Good.

Fine.

WTF, quit folding.

Fine.

Seriously! I have a standard range like you do for folding but when villain never 3 bets and really isn't fighting back all that much postflop, I open more... sometimes 100%

Standard.

Tempting odds and still semi reasonable stacks. I'm probably calling here but obviously can't just stack off a pair postflop. I'd like to hear from someone else on that.

Looks fine. Sure you have a pair but the board is icky and the bet big.

Good.

Yay.


Good. Strong hand. Donk lead. Raise away!

Lame.



Standard.

Standard.

Given his 3x I probably just call here too. Flop fold is fine. Stacks aren't deep enough to mess around much.

I definitely want to hear from someone else on this one. He isn't 3 betting us a lot but the stacks are only 30bb. I'd jam over his 3 bet. PPs are da nuts this short. As for postflop play, this flop really isn't hitting any 3 bet range and we have 6 outs if he does have a bigger pair. I just jam over the flop bet.

I look forward to any good comments/questions/concerns. I hope you had a fun read and learned something.

Lame I misspelled Scizor's name in the title but can't edit it lol

Skimming as usual

I'm defending T7o first hand, but you're right that it's close to the borderline, T6o is likely a fold.

Hand 28 you miss we're in position, play is std. If we were OOP like you suggested though I think 200 is too big of a 3bet with KJ, KJ does better with a smaller 3bet.

Disagree that checking flop on 33 is hateworthy, yes he's not stabbing a ton (from what I'm skimming), but checking is still likely going to do better against air, probably better against Qx, and pretty marginal differences vs. stuff like Ax/Kx. It's a great spot to go through hands and talk about which action does better against which hand, so let's do that exercise if you'd like.

Def agree with OP that we're folding way too many buttons.

Last hand is kind of weird to me. I think your actions of flatting preflop and raising flop are somewhat inconsistent. If you flat pre it should be because you think there are an uncomfortable amount of monsters in his range with a shove being -EV, and if you raise flop instead of just flatting, it means that you don't and think there are a lot of more random hands in there that you can get value from. To know what I'd advocate I'd have to actually read the thread (what?) but I think very rarely am I flatting pre and raising this flop with 66.

Last comment, good job OP on not letting haters get to you, this is good for Scizor, good for the forum, and good for you, so thanks.

I quickly edited a couple hands that I misread if Mers's advice seems weird on a couple hands.

#1 he has air, maybe he puts in one stab on flop or turn if we check twice
#2 he has Q, he may or may not bet flop, are we checkraising and betting turn if he does?
#3 he has Ax/Kx and checks it down maybe hitting an A or K and putting in a bet or calling a bet

I guess it's not as bad as I thought to check the flop but our best chance for a big pot is if he has a Q. Against a tard I checkraise all day cause they won't fold a Q. Against a sane player I put in 3 reasonable leads so they can't "get away".

Let's pretend we were in the BB with KJ and button opened to 60. 150 seems too small to RR to. It's not like we are praying for a call. Can you elaborate on the sizing with KJ and why?

I def think we get more value against Qx by c/r. People aren't folding to the check/raise ever, so we've already gotten two streets of value on the flop, and plenty of people can't fold on later streets anyway (with much much bigger bets possible than from lead lead lead).

I'm usually 3betting to 160-180 here. KJ is a hand that's folding to a 4bet, dominates a lot of Kx and Jx that's folding to a 3bet to 200+, and plays very solidly on the flop.

Also, not that balance is super important, but I def think a smaller 3bet with QQ+ is optimal, and adding some KQ/KJ type hands into that range helps those hands as well, so people don't think it's weird the first time in the match you make a small 3bet and think something might be up.

thanks for the review ajloeffl, i hope it gets some good replies(thanks mers)

my thoughts on it:

#1- i normally flat T7o vs a 2x, i agree w mers that its borderline

#7- i have a nitty 3bet range before i have some reads on villain, looking back this hand seems good to 3bet

#8- maybe i dont utilize the bet/check/bet line as a bluff enough

#12- do u guys think that cbetting the turn is a fine line to take, or checking back the turn looking to bluff catch depending on sizing?

#33- good discussion on this hand. i think its (slightly) better to c/r the flop

#40- im obv calling a min3bet all day, i thought it was a marginal decision either way. i might just be not defending wide enough vs mini3bets

#50-i think i miss played it/played it weird. so do u think its best to shove/fold facing the 3bet or do u ever consider calling?

Really? I'm praying for a call when I 3bet KJ. Compare that to 3betting K2s, when I'm praying for a fold. Or QQ, when I'm praying for a 4bet.

def 3-bet #7, not particularly close, and a leak to talk yourself into doing otherwise with "I don't have reads yet" stuff.

pot is 240, need to call 80 pre with 1070 behind, you can't fold pre especially absent glaring reads. But my point was that if it's a flat pre instead of a shove it's probably a flat on this flop as well, and the combination might indicate some reasoning you should look at.

Do you 3 bet hand number 49 as well?

Thanks for all the great comments/discussion so far

Wray, I know you'll chime in at some point!

Do I 4-bet it? Depends on all the rest of the hands, close spot, zoomed by everything you weren't commenting much on.

I was referring to hand number 49 where we also have KQ like in hand number 7. Our opponent's raise size is bigger though and effective stack size shorter because of bigger blinds.

33 big blind stacks is too big to 3 bet jam with KQ but we could 3 bet to 300 or something. At what stack size do you think about 3 bet jamming with a hand like KQ?

oops! Sorry, misread. Based on what I understand it seems like he has different 2x/3x ranges and that makes me fine with a flat there with those effective stacks given what people tend to do with 2x/3x.

Anyone flatting flop in hand #44 to keep villians range wide and maybe get a second barrel from something like JT or a spewy A5, 56, etc? We have TPTK, all sorts of backdoor draws, and not a whole lot of scare cards.

Good stuff ajl, I lol'ed at the disclaimer.

#13 - I don't like donking the flop since we already know villain is a station in small pots. I would donk the turn though.

#24 - villain's hand is sooo transparent I'd put a raise to 250 with the intention of checking behind on the river or folding to any heart. I definitively make a note after how this hand went down.

#44 - I too thought it was an OK spot to shift the aggression on the turn. Looks like a good flop to make it look like we have Jx-type hands. Without the Ah, it's a raise 100% imo.

If he has a Q/J and maybe even a 5, he is calling a flop raise so let's get him to. If he has air he likely will not put any more chip in anyways. Villain doesn't seem aggressive enough to bomb the turn just because we call a flop bet on a drawy board, so if he does bet it probably will be on the small side. Shifting aggression to the turn would be fine vs an aggmonkey that you want to exploit and even then I might raise the flop so he comes back over the top.