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05-29-2011 , 07:59 AM
villain is a loose player, raises 10% from the button...you saw him limp AQs 30bb deep and he once just flatted your pf raise 30bb deep with AQ

youre 50 hands in the match and so far he hasn't 3bet you and called 65% of your raises
postflop he is pretty standard weak, folds to cbets most of the time

he is -1% on sharkscope

stacks are

Hero 1300
Villain 1700

blinds: 25/50

Hero raises to 150, villain 3bets to 550

What do you do here with: 99, TT, JJ, AK, AQ ?
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05-29-2011 , 08:05 AM
shove
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05-29-2011 , 08:07 AM
loose + 10% pfr does not compute imo

and yes, shove all the hands
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05-29-2011 , 08:11 AM
loose does not mean aggresive
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05-29-2011 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Avalon.
loose + 10% pfr does not compute imo

and yes, shove all the hands
and what if he limps 80%?
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05-29-2011 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by alexDJI
and what if he limps 80%?
you got a point ;p

[edit] lol, how did i miss that he calls 65% oop?!

yeah, he's definitely loose

brainfart on my part obv
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05-29-2011 , 01:36 PM
i probably fold 99/TT/AQ personally, like ingame, it kinda depends on what btn i decide to spazz-click, but given description dont we have to give villain MASSIVE credit when he 3bets this big, for the first time, and doesnt even raise AQo pre?
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05-29-2011 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by fastcolt
i probably fold 99/TT/AQ personally, like ingame, it kinda depends on what btn i decide to spazz-click, but given description dont we have to give villain MASSIVE credit when he 3bets this big, for the first time, and doesnt even raise AQo pre?

I kinda disagree and think he's full of air here often enough to warrant a shove.

first of all, villain raises 10% of his buttons yet you saw him limp AQs.
wich makes it seem like the villain here would slowplay his premium holdings most of the time.
and when he does decide to 3bet AA or KK I would expect a min3bet more often then such a big raise.

therefore I think the times when he does 3bet this big its pretty often a desperate attempt to play back at your agression (given that you've been opening a good ammount and Cbetting a lot).
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05-29-2011 , 05:55 PM
Start by assuming he shoved, find out what you need to call his shove and how those hands do against some tighter hand ranges.

You don't need to go further if you're good to call, as any fold equity would be a bonus from there on out.

I'd probably assume a low % of fold equity though, which will allow you to shove a little wider than the answer you come up with in the "if he had shoved" situation.

I think it's a mistake to assume anything but minimal fold equity though. Players don't often put in a nearly 4x 3bet here 26 bb and fold to a shove. Despite winning less chips when we shove and he folds, I'd rather see him 3bet to 300-400 than to 550 in this situation, I think the smaller size represents much more fold equity from the average opponent.
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05-29-2011 , 08:12 PM
Nobody seems to have mentioned this so far - I would min raise at this stack depth. Even if he folds to most of your c-bets.

And yes, I would imagine we have about ZERO (well, yeah that's right) FE here for the reasons mentioned by ChiRy.
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05-31-2011 , 08:21 PM
Don't forget, there's always a decent chance that he's simply getting frustrated by your bu opens and also sees his chip stack dwindling so he's trying to make a stand with something that looks pretty.

And I agree with TrippyTrippy - people who do have a button opening range, but limp hands as strong as AQo are usually more of the trappy type and don't 3bet you pf to this size with a monster.

Btw. he can also have a smaller PP here and doesn't know how to play it post-flop
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