Well you're obv running bad but I wouldn't exclude bad play, I mean adjusted ROI is like 1.6% which isn't really that much at 51s

164/9000 = 0,018222222222222222222222222222222%

Not much to add here except the variance is brutal and why anyone would play these over turbos is unclear to me. They are fun when on a heater but losing AA to AJ, KK to K8o, AQs to 85o etc. ten games in a row hurts. And yes those were my last 3 STs. Too bad you can't buy stuff with EV.

MN

You are just as likely to lose KK to k8o and AA to aj in a normal turbo as in a ST.

Although my adjusted ROI for these games in this sample 1.8% my lifetime ROI for this level is not 1.8%. My lifetime ROI for this level and game is 3.2% in a sample size of 19,567 games according to sharkscope. I Bought HEM in November so the graph that I posted doesn't show April-October it only shows Nov-Jan.

If anyone plans on grinding these I have a few tips to give you that will help you get in more volume.

1-Keep at least 150-200 buyins in your roll. Having a large roll will allow you to play these more confidently. Confidence is everything in HU Super Turbos because a large amount of the game is push/fold so if you are not confident and grinding with a small roll you will get stressed out easily and become less volume oriented and much more results oriented. You will also begin to play scared and not very optimally.

2-Because of the high variance nature of this game you will need to get in great volume in order to maintain consistent results. Variance can be a ***** in this game very much more then HUSNG turbos and HUSNG Reg Speeds. I've had 1000 game samples where I've made +100 buy ins and 1000 game samples in which I've lost almost 100 buy ins. So in order to properly battle the variance and maintain consistent positive results every month you will need to get in a **** load of games each month. I suggest grinding at least 3000 games per month if you are playing this as your main game for a living.

3-Grinding +3000 games per month is not hard. I easily get in ~150 games per day. 150 games takes about ~5 hours 2 tabling. I do not suggest grinding this for 5 hours straight with no break. Because I usually began to tilt or fall into auto pilot mode around my 50th game I now break up my sessions into three 50 game sets per day. I find that after each set if stop for about 30 mins and eat a small meal and relax I have fewer losing sessions and I also don't get burned out as easily.

That's it, I hope that this post helps someone get in more volume as long as they are not sitting me and taking my maneys lols sorry for the tl;dr

I have a problem against players, who often limp from the button.
I 3Bet a lot, so the opponents adopt and limp more. What should I do against a player who limps 70% form the button and only raises 10%. Of course, I play tight, if the buttons raises. And I only attack the limp with my about 15% best hands (I tried more, but it wasnt succesfull. Is it enough edge for me, that the opponent plays smaller pots in position by limping?

Do you realize that a player who limps a lot of hands gives up his chance to win preflop, loses initiative (assuming you can lead flop instead of autochecking still), and has smaller pots in position?

Yes I realized it. Of course one advantage is that I can see a lot of flops without paying more than my big blind. But I think I cant use it in an optimal way. His limping range is not so weak an the stacks are deep enough for my opponent to float my flop bet, which often happens after I bet the flop.
Any ideas how I should play against such a limping opponent?

Because of the things I pointed out, your opponent is already playing in a non optimal way preflop and you don't need to even do anything to exploit him. He already is losing EV. Postflop is a different story though. If he is floating your leads a lot then how he plays the turn and river is going to determine how you want to build your flop leading range.

Im going to start playing theese, hope to start good, wish me luck lol

I just started playing the $10 and a bit of $5 ST's (mostly $10) 2 days ago and let me tell you that in ~350 games I have not met a single player that was competent or resembled any qualities of a "reg" at this level. The play is so soft that I can definitely see this being beatable at +2% quite easily.





This is my graph for the $10 ST's so far. I have no clue if I am even beating the game yet given sample size but it seems plausible due to how terrible the players are.

variance might be high but it usually levels out because you can play so many of them. I have been playing those exclusivelly ($35 level) for 4 months now and I wouldn't be surprised if they were one of the most profitable form of poker out there.

Don't listen to genher. He's just on a heater

~6500 superturbo, I hope it's not a heater otherwise it's going to hurt when it comes down crashing

Obviously I'm just messing around. Hell, you are up on me 19 games to 17 so far! Maybe I should stop sitting you lol. Oh crap, you are the one who sat me last time. Truce! Truce!

oh sorry lol didn't realize! who are you?

how many tables are you playing? what's your hourly compared to the 30 reg speeds?

1 table only. I can't 2 table to save myself. Also it's important to be very attentive as the edge is small and the stacks are small (one small mistake can be lethal) so I wouldn't recommend playing more than one table (unless you are a beast like Mers or Cog).

According to HEM my hourly is $27.33 in ST (average duration 3.6 min). That's for an average BI of $31.26 (I started by playing ~2000 at $20 to see how I would go)It says 4.6% ROI. I think it's a bit high SS says around 4%. Not sure why there is a difference. Don't know my hourly at the $30 reg because I was playing the $52.5 reg speed before (also I have changed my database to ST only).

People are very quick to dismiss these because of variance but I am definitely no poker genius so if I can do it everyone can.

Genher how many games do you play per day on average; how many hours? Do you set a goal for yourself to play x amount of games per day or x amount of hours? What kind of BRM do you use? I'm currently using a 1/2 kelly BRM system.

Also do you play for a living?

I continue to think these are beatable long term for about 3%. If you expect more than that you will be disappointed unless you run great

sharkscope uses avg roi wereas HEM uses total roi so if you run better at higher stakes HEM roi will be higher than your avg roi

el oh el

The longterm question is again best looked at by searching for the people who have the best results over a large sample. Those people are almost undoubtedly running above expectation (it is highly unlikely that the people with the best ROIs are getting unlucky while doing so, which is true with any game. The best results over thousands of games will come from the best players who also run above expectation). ZakWray, Serkules, and others have done great to show that better than 3% is likely possible at mid-high stakes, but if it were true that they are not at all getting lucky, you would expect that somebody else close to as good WOULD run like God and show even better results.

That said, I've predicted a slowdown in their winrates, and it hasn't really come yet, and every 1000 games they tack on with similar results makes it more and more likely that the lack of additional outliers like I would expect is just because there are aren't enough people close to as good who put in similar volume, and that their winrates are closer to their EV than I've projected.

Not sure Mers.

3% may be a little low at $100s-200s, but look at stats by buyin on some players you name. I think some samples can be weighted hard by kind results at higher buyins, which isn't likely to be as true as taking the common buyin results (Serkules $200 results, for example, are a sick 5%, though there is differences over 1k game samples as of recent).

Also, one of your examples, Wray, is at 5% now. Wasn't there a thread on HUSNG talking about him having a 8-9% ROI in super turbos before? That's 5% on the $100s, the same level I believe I was discussing when that thread was made.

(btw, obviously sick ROI Wray, nice job, not trying to slight you at all, in the rare event that pointing out that you have probably the highest $100 super turbo ROI on FTP offends you)

Yea looking back, it was 8% ROI over 3.5k games. Now it's 5% ROI over 12.5k games. Those are all 100s, but I don't think adding in other games changes things much.