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10-03-2011 , 06:12 PM
cbet and barrel
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10-03-2011 , 06:13 PM
Another one

    Poker Stars, $14.69 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10754692

    Hero (SB): 430 (14.3 bb)
    BB: 570 (19 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 J
    Hero raises to 60, BB calls 30

    Flop: (120) T 7 7 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    Turn: (120) K (2 players)
    BB bets 60, Hero calls 60

    River: (240) A (2 players)
    BB bets 120, Hero folds




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    Last edited by huntypro; 10-03-2011 at 06:15 PM. Reason: Funny enough didn't take me very long to find some examples
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    10-03-2011 , 06:15 PM
    Hmmz, really depends on villain imo. You can check if you have a reason to, if you haven't seen something yet which makes this a check, than I would cbet. My cbetsize would be 45*120.

    But checking back here isn't bad imo.
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    10-03-2011 , 06:17 PM
    i have 89%/41 sucess

    im a firm believer people fail at cbetting enough.

    you only need 33.01% sucess for making an immediate profit if your std is to bet half pot, probably over millions of games the optimal is to cbet pretty much almost everything, but no one does...

    and you cant forget you get immediate profit from 33.01+% folds, but you are also betting for value about 1/3 of the times you are cbetting, and also planning to 2barrel and

    question is if by cbetting less, the chips you win are generating a bigger profit in compensation for the ones you arent winning from fold equity.. really hard to measure this and wondering how would you cme with the correct answer? rather than just sample size, like, thre must be some mathematical way to "guess" the perfect number.

    thoughts? mathematically, imo, people dont cbet enough, and ull hardly ever find a player who correctly adapts to your high cbet by c/ring loads

    Last edited by emotionx; 10-03-2011 at 06:35 PM.
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    10-03-2011 , 06:18 PM
    What's the difference between the two hands?
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    10-03-2011 , 06:23 PM
    Stacksizes to name one

    1 we have 7 high and we can just bet flop + barrel and make him fold a ton of hands.
    2 I probably just cbet get it in here, not sure about that math but we we a gutshot + over and shortstacks. Difference is why you could consider checking is that on this board it's kinda easy to win the pot on later streets, without cbetting flop.

    Imo, could be v wrong tho.
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    10-03-2011 , 06:24 PM
    89%!!!!

    Can I just check I am looking at the right stat in HEM. I added to my stat selection - Flop cbet% IP. Is this right?
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    10-03-2011 , 06:25 PM
    I just use flop cbet %, without the IP thing.
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    10-03-2011 , 06:29 PM
    Damn. I was fishing for a higher figure. Flop cbet% is .08% lower aaaagh.
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    10-03-2011 , 06:33 PM
    why there arent really good superturbo coaches with big sample under they feet working?

    i think you allways have really good coachs in every form of poker pretty much
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    10-03-2011 , 06:46 PM
    +26 buyin day @ 200s

    me izzz happy
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    10-03-2011 , 07:03 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by emotionx
    i have 89%/41 sucess

    im a firm believer people fail at cbetting enough.

    you only need 33.01% sucess for making an immediate profit if your std is to bet half pot, probably over millions of games the optimal is to cbet pretty much almost everything, but no one does...

    and you cant forget you get immediate profit from 33.01+% folds, but you are also betting for value about 1/3 of the times you are cbetting, and also planning to 2barrel and

    question is if by cbetting less, the chips you win are generating a bigger profit in compensation for the ones you arent winning from fold equity.. really hard to measure this and wondering how would you cme with the correct answer? rather than just sample size, like, thre must be some mathematical way to "guess" the perfect number.

    thoughts? mathematically, imo, people dont cbet enough, and ull hardly ever find a player who correctly adapts to your high cbet by c/ring loads
    you should look more into different board textures, you can profitably cbet 100%, but that doesn't mean that 80% is not better, you can get 70% folds on one texture and 20% on another and your succes is 45%, but you shouldn't cbet that with 20% because it's not +ev
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    10-03-2011 , 07:07 PM
    Wow you guys are nits. 78.3% river cbet, 52.5% success!
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    10-03-2011 , 09:52 PM
    @huntypro
    The hands you post are really easy cbets imo. People don't flat pairs and on a paired board you just don't hit a lot. So if there are hardly any draws you should just cbet those boards.
    The funny thing is that most unknows will raise trips there so it's an easy double/triple barrel spot if they flat anyways.
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    10-03-2011 , 10:24 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TLDevenport
    IMO its spew, just fold. If however we had a8 or k8...
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hundrye
    because?
    Because you need only need 47% equity to win here, even asuming every single time you shove, he will call and you have 0 fold equity, and stoving A8 to 98 vs every 6X including two pairs and 66 you get 50.163 equity, and this without counting that he can have worse than 6x and random bluffs... im just stone shocked people (really good players even) saying this is a spew wtf? i see it as a spew fold

    Board: 5c 7c 6s
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 50.163% 48.27% 01.89% 3836677 150615.00 { A8s, K8s, Q8s, J8s, T8s, A8o-A7o, K8o, Q8o, J8o, T8o, 98o }
    Hand 1: 49.837% 47.94% 01.89% 3810803 150615.00 { 66, 62s+, A6o, K6o, Q6o, J6o, T6o, 96o, 86o, 76o }

    I agree shoving 82 is a spew fwiw, not a8-89 though. As i tried to demonstrate
    Spoiler:
    Hand 1/3Hand HistoryReplayer
    Poker Stars, $14.69 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10742612

    Hero (BB): 430 (21.5 bb)
    SB: 570 (28.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 2 8
    SB completes, Hero checks

    Flop: (40) 5 7 6 (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB bets 40, Hero raises to 410 and is all-in, SB calls 370

    Turn: (860) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (860) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Last edited by emotionx; 10-03-2011 at 10:35 PM.
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    10-03-2011 , 11:35 PM
    his post says shoving A8 or K8 isn't spew. Equity of total range has nothing to do with what you should do with 82
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    10-04-2011 , 12:12 AM
    3 questions this is my first time postin in this thread

    1) who is nederlander

    2) emotionx i might be able to help you with coaching if your willing to pay a big hourly

    3) aajackpot good job on the 26 buyins up!!!!! mbn!! lol
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    10-04-2011 , 01:07 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by emotionx
    why there arent really good superturbo coaches with big sample under they feet working?
    edge is small enough..let's not coach too many people...please...(i remember the days were you could have a 15% ROI at the reg speed)
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    10-04-2011 , 01:22 AM
    i missread that shoving 89o+ is a spew then, sorry.

    Last edited by emotionx; 10-04-2011 at 01:34 AM.
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    10-04-2011 , 03:35 AM
    back to question about cbets and cbet successes, doesnt really matter so much if your ROI is good
    like.. different styles etc
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    10-04-2011 , 04:55 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by aisixer3jk
    3 questions this is my first time postin in this thread

    1) who is nederlander
    Why?
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    10-04-2011 , 05:51 AM
    Quick general question

    How many ST's do you play per day on average?

    How do you split your time up during the day? Length of sessions and breaks etc?
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    10-04-2011 , 06:30 AM
    Best is probably:

    Start 07:00
    Have breakfast 08:00
    Play till 12:00, with 5 minutes break each hour.

    To start with.

    When it's only 12:00 you already have played almost 5 hours.
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    10-04-2011 , 07:13 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nederlander
    Why?
    ive seen you posting a lot in these forums i wanna know who you are on stars lol
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    10-04-2011 , 07:40 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by aisixer3jk
    ive seen you posting a lot in these forums i wanna know who you are on stars lol
    who are you @ stars?
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