Yeah, that seems like a solid range for 25 bbs. Does that mean that u raise / fold 22 + 33?

this is fairly interesting to me, the villain is a reg at this stake although not a very good one. his larger cbet size makes me wary of a big hand or draw that could triple barrel and make it hard for me to call down

i consider a c/r on the flop but it doesn't really achieve much, how was this played? also how would most people react to a bet or shove on the river given the read, i don't really have solid reads to know if he can triple barrel air yet

think you played it fine

I just saw these graphs: http://blog.husng.com/external-blogg...er-graph-porn/

and now i'm literally scared. like actual feelings of fear.

Stacks are so shallow in hypers. I don't think you can really c/c turn. Its either c/f turn or c/jam turn imo. c/c turn seems like the worst option

Any opinions on how to play big pairs preflop in the first 2 levels? I find flatting then C/R the flop usually works pretty well but only with KK or AA as I don't want a cheap flop with QQ JJ etc. Unless you're 3 betting frequently it's hard to conceal strength of AA or KK preflop

whatever strategy you decide upon, certainly do not base it on your opponents' tendencies.

I agree with Hoya. Adjusting is for fish.

Imo Moe you should 3.5x/call all your big pairs all the time.

I didn't realize you had to be so smug to post here..I'll work on it guys, thx

thats kind of our thing

why no c/r on that oesd+pair hand?

Cause we have showdown value, position, a lot of equity but wont be all that happy if he jams.. i think.

blah, can't edit my post now. just took a better look at the hand and since he bet 60 otf i assume you're talking about c/r jamming there so i think you can dismiss the "wont be all that happy if he jams" part. I would say the bigger sizing indicates a strong made hand charging draws that would be willing to gii and we would do okish vs it. With a call we get to play the turn in position so if we hit we can get paid easier, fold if we miss and he might slow down and our sd value be good. i don't really like the call ott.

I feel like i'm rambling a bit here cause i don't know the right answer but this would be my thought process.

he bet 60 on flop, so he is more likely on Jx/2pairs than draws, so c/r jamming that flop might be more value than ch/c, which we're not really priced in for. I would lean towards a c/r jam on that flop.

i don't dislike c/jamming but after he bet 60 i don't think we have much equity vs his range and fold equity (maybe dead money compensates for this?).
we might not be priced in for c/c but with implied odds, position and sd value as i said i feel more inclined for c/c.
Had he bet 40 would you feel more inclined on c/c or would you still prefer a c/r (and if so c/r jam?)?

we do have good implied odds but we don't have position, we're OOP remember. Also, I don't think we have as much sd value. Given he bet 60, I'm not putting him on draw, giving us reasonably 47% eq, a x/r jam is +EV. If he bets 40, his range is wider, and then we are also directly priced in for a call so that is definitely a spot where I can see a c/c.

jfc you're right; wtf is going on with me! lol, you let me post it three times that we're ip before correct me? agree with check jamming being best then.

Nope, just open jam 22-33 at any stack depth (<25bb stars structure).

It's probably also a profitable move on the merge games where you start with 30bb I think.

Rly?

Let me answer that with another question: How do you play 22 when 3 overcards come?

You don't have implied odds to set mine in a hyper, and you're only behind higher PPs and a few higher SC's (only the one's that can make straights both ways I think so JT > AK in this spot for the caller). This is a pretty small part of villain's range.

Maybe someone more experienced can back me up as I'm not good with the math side of things but I have heard (I think) that open shoving 22-33 is unexploitable even it villain knows you do it (in hypers). I know unexploitable != most profitable, but most players will make more money by shoving these hands then minraising and trying to play post flop, thus avoiding big pots with a weak hand.

yes

U can have a look at the sklansky Chubukov Graph, where villain even know that u hold 22 and 33. Then u can push 22 up to 24 Bbs and 33 up to 33 bbs

So it is always +ev to push them.

Ok so how do you go about playing 44, 55, 66? The flop will bring 3 overs fairly often so it's still difficult to play post flop

whatever strategy you decide upon, certainly do not base it on your opponents' tendencies.

lol