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05-15-2010 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SleightOfJam
They are the devil. Pennies compared to most but I busted my 1200 ft roll on them in 5 mins. Some douche with a clown avatar that kept rematching/owning my soul at the 164s. Ak vs kq nope 99 vs a9 nope 77 vs j9 after flopping a boat nope. Will have nightmares for the rest of my life. /rant
This is actually a pretty standard day of beats if you put in more than a few games, thus the need for 100 buyins lol My favorite day I got 3 guys down to 1bb or less who all came back and won within 5 min of each other.
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05-15-2010 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mersenneary
Definitely be skeptical of your results in these, I highly recommend using EV software because this is not the game to be playing too long when you think you're a winner but you're not. And that's going to happen to a ton of people.
The EV software available uses ICM which is fine for multiplayer situations but it isn't the greatest method for doing heads up luck. Simple example, I grind a guy down to 1bb and I have 49bb. We get all in as a flip and I lose the flip. I'm only out .5bb and 1% of the prize pool by ICM when in reality if I win that flip I win the whole prize pool so should be out 50% of the prize pool. I hope that makes sense. I might look into altering Juk's but not sure how much effort would be required yet.
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05-15-2010 , 08:20 PM
I tried these out when they first came out and even though I am up in them I still banned myself from FTP due to these. They are a tilters paradise.
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05-15-2010 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SleightOfJam
They are the devil. Pennies compared to most but I busted my 1200 ft roll on them in 5 mins. Some douche with a clown avatar that kept rematching/owning my soul at the 164s. Ak vs kq nope 99 vs a9 nope 77 vs j9 after flopping a boat nope. Will have nightmares for the rest of my life. /rant
never trust clown avatars
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05-15-2010 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Woogie
never trust clown avatars
Agreed. If I ever go back on ft I'm disabling avatars and making mine the clown. Words cannot express the rage that clown triggered in me.
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05-16-2010 , 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SleightOfJam
Agreed. If I ever go back on ft I'm disabling avatars and making mine the clown. Words cannot express the rage that clown triggered in me.
This actually made me laugh out loud. Your pain is not totally wasted.
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05-16-2010 , 10:08 AM
lmfao @ clowns, when I was a kid they used to scare the **** out of me

BTW I think you can change the appearance of a particular avatar w/ mods
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05-16-2010 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ajloeffl
The EV software available uses ICM which is fine for multiplayer situations but it isn't the greatest method for doing heads up luck. Simple example, I grind a guy down to 1bb and I have 49bb. We get all in as a flip and I lose the flip. I'm only out .5bb and 1% of the prize pool by ICM when in reality if I win that flip I win the whole prize pool so should be out 50% of the prize pool. I hope that makes sense. I might look into altering Juk's but not sure how much effort would be required yet.
Wrong DUCY?
Spoiler:
You lose the flip but are still a 96% favourite to win the match
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05-16-2010 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by alexrjl
Wrong DUCY?
Spoiler:
You lose the flip but are still a 96% favourite to win the match
I'll expand further. It's a little extreme but it helps illustrate. My opponent either steals blinds or I get all in drawing dead for the rest of the match (after the flop or something). He wins with me gaining no more equity from all ins. Now my luck EV says I only deserved that 1% EV from the first all in. He obviously deserved to win the match then right?
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05-16-2010 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ajloeffl
I'll expand further. It's a little extreme but it helps illustrate. My opponent either steals blinds or I get all in drawing dead for the rest of the match (after the flop or something). He wins with me gaining no more equity from all ins. Now my luck EV says I only deserved that 1% EV from the first all in. He obviously deserved to win the match then right?
If you're a good player than you'll start getting into situations where you're ahead or at least calling correctly and not drawing dead so your AIEV will balance out and start going up. It does not account for non-AI pots, so you can have an upwards AIEV line and still be a losing player
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05-16-2010 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JSpazz
If you're a good player than you'll start getting into situations where you're ahead or at least calling correctly and not drawing dead so your AIEV will balance out and start going up. It does not account for non-AI pots, so you can have an upwards AIEV line and still be a losing player
I'm just trying to point out that the AIEV is not the end all be all yet comparing it to actual results and trying to use it to determine if you are a winning player makes it seem like it is all that matters.
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05-16-2010 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SleightOfJam
Agreed. If I ever go back on ft I'm disabling avatars and making mine the clown. Words cannot express the rage that clown triggered in me.
haahaha
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05-16-2010 , 03:29 PM
Well AIEV defo not the whole game, but it is one part of the game. In superturbos stax are small so AI situations are more frequent than in turbos or regspeeds. Also, if you have a negative AIEV over a significant sample that means you're doing something wrong in AI pots and that there is room for improvement in your play.
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05-17-2010 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ajloeffl
The EV software available uses ICM which is fine for multiplayer situations but it isn't the greatest method for doing heads up luck. Simple example, I grind a guy down to 1bb and I have 49bb. We get all in as a flip and I lose the flip. I'm only out .5bb and 1% of the prize pool by ICM when in reality if I win that flip I win the whole prize pool so should be out 50% of the prize pool. I hope that makes sense. I might look into altering Juk's but not sure how much effort would be required yet.
The software's perspective is right, very silly to think losing 1% of chips in play is losing 50% of prize pool in EV
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05-17-2010 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JSpazz
Also, if you have a negative AIEV over a significant sample that means you're doing something wrong in AI pots and that there is room for improvement in your play.
lol?
how can you improve your allin luck?
to clear the carma and just start running hot?
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05-17-2010 , 02:17 AM
He means if your expectation in all-in pots is negative it might mean you're doing something wrong. Not the luck difference

It might also mean the people you're playing are too nitty, though.
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05-17-2010 , 06:35 AM
can i get full tilt to ban me from these stupid things? im pretty sure stars support can restrict tables but i bet ft cant cause theyre worthless
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05-17-2010 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by mersenneary
He means if your expectation in all-in pots is negative it might mean you're doing something wrong. Not the luck difference

It might also mean the people you're playing are too nitty, though.
ahhh
but how can we see our allin equity? its too complicated to use correct kind of filters in HM, like allin preflop=true, allin flop=true.... etc?
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05-17-2010 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 16cdeck
ahhh
but how can we see our allin equity? its too complicated to use correct kind of filters in HM, like allin preflop=true, allin flop=true.... etc?
The program I use only considers cEV of all-in pots so there, but for HEM users their line is an even better estimation of "am I playing well" because it takes into account whether you're winning lots of pots without showdown too. If your expectation isn't positive in HEM/your program that says a lot.
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05-17-2010 , 07:57 PM
Hi Doomswitch, let me introduce you to God Mode



obv STs on FTP
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05-18-2010 , 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe Pulaski
can i get full tilt to ban me from these stupid things? im pretty sure stars support can restrict tables but i bet ft cant cause theyre worthless
No I tried myself. They can ban you from all sngs/mtts but not just the hyper turbos. Basically lost me as a player b/c of that. Shame that I have rakeback going to waste too.

Played a few small buy in ones today, they ruined them tbh. 500 chips now instead of 300. Less gambool, more sitting and waiting.
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06-01-2010 , 10:36 AM
I am interested in improving my roi in fulltilt's HU super turbo's where you start with 25x the big blind. I play primarily the $35's and am beating them at a 5% roi over 300+ games. If there is anyone who is beating these at a higher roi please post your graph/stats & shed some light on what you think you are doing that is responsible for your success. Are you minbumping, 2.5x, or 3xing every time you come into a pot? Do you use sharkscope, poker-edge, or anther program for these? What is the bottom of your open shoving range against a random opponent for 10/11/12/13/14/15x? What Kind of notes/color coding do you use for these to aid your table selection? (I make long time winners/difficult opponents blue/green, average players yellow, poor player orange/red and the worst players purple to aid in table selection which is especially important when I take $50 & $100 shots in these).

The best person I can find in these is Tomtrippy who is killing the $35 hyper's at 15% roi over 800+ games! How is that even possible ? What is this guy doing to have attained that high of an roi in these? His profit in these only makes up 1/5th of his HUSNG winnings btw so he is an obvious stud. Everyone who is killing these at least 5+% what info can you share with the 2+2 community & I ? Thank you in advance everyone. I would love to see some graphs and how everyone is doing in these. Gl at the table guys

My stats:

http://www.pokerprolabs.com/topshark...namenttype=hup


http://www.pokerprolabs.com/Personal...=1&w=240&h=180

Last edited by fullyfocused; 06-01-2010 at 10:42 AM.
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06-01-2010 , 10:58 AM
I don't play the ST's but a 300 game sample is not even going to give you anything close to your true roi. Look for some of primo's recent graphs.
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06-01-2010 , 10:59 AM
Got nothing to share besides: Neither 300 nor 800 games are even close to what i would call "samplesize".
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06-01-2010 , 11:02 AM
is this supposed to be a thinly veiled brag thread?
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