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Standard 4bet shove or too loose?  6.25 Stars Standard 4bet shove or too loose?  6.25 Stars

10-22-2010 , 08:14 PM
Reads: Villain called my cbet first hand with A7 on 2QT. I 3bet im second hand with QQ and he folded. He has folded some buttons and raised some buttons. This is the eight hand:

PokerStars Game #51511679516: Tournament #323814131, $6.00+$0.25 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2010/10/22 15:39:36 PT [2010/10/22 18:39:36 ET]
Table '323814131 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: zachaser (1250 in chips)
Seat 2: 1 VILLAIN (1750 in chips)
zachaser: posts small blind 10
1_conor_b_1: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zachaser [8d 8h]
zachaser: raises 40 to 60
VILLAIN: raises 120 to 180
zachaser: raises 1070 to 1250 and is all-in

Hand converter was having issues at the time of this post, thanks guys. Also, 88 is the bottom of my 4bet shoving range for pairs at this blind level.
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10-22-2010 , 10:56 PM
88 is the nuts.

Obv a standard 4-bet 100bb or less.
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10-23-2010 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Never Win
88 is the nuts.

Obv a standard 4-bet 100bb or less.
orly? dont think so dude, imo that the same as saying AJ is a std PF 4bet 100bbs deep.
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10-23-2010 , 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TrololoNoob
orly? dont think so dude, imo that the same as saying AJ is a std PF 4bet 100bbs deep.
88>>> AJ

Although, 4-betting AJ as your standard wouldn't be too bad imo.
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10-23-2010 , 02:57 AM
somebody overvalues pocket pairs. what range that we beat is calling a 4-bet shove this deep?
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10-23-2010 , 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Arsenal Gunners
somebody overvalues pocket pairs. what range that we beat is calling a 4-bet shove this deep?
You are not beating his value range.
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10-23-2010 , 04:09 AM
So ok shove or too loose? Note that I'd have to have a strong read not to shove over 99 here, 88 is the borderline hand for me.
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10-23-2010 , 07:42 AM
ez shove here

4betting to 20-30bb w 88 is always a suboptimal choice fwiw, unless we're really deep imo. AJ is a wholly different story as it plays much better postflop at small SPRs
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10-24-2010 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JSpazz
ez shove here

4betting to 20-30bb w 88 is always a suboptimal choice fwiw, unless we're really deep imo. AJ is a wholly different story as it plays much better postflop at small SPRs
hmm I don't know if I agree with that. I think that's a pretty ez call. You have position and you are not too sure about his 3betting range since 8 hands is not enough to know his 3bet tendencies unless he is an agro monkey who 3bets 40ish percent or more. In this case I would agree that would be an easy shove
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10-24-2010 , 11:45 PM
So does that mean we're shoving 22-77 here too?
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10-25-2010 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Rock_Lee
hmm I don't know if I agree with that. I think that's a pretty ez call. You have position and you are not too sure about his 3betting range since 8 hands is not enough to know his 3bet tendencies unless he is an agro monkey who 3bets 40ish percent or more. In this case I would agree that would be an easy shove
Shipping here, even vs nitty opponents will be +EV.

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Originally Posted by JodySummer
So does that mean we're shoving 22-77 here too?
No, 88 has better equity than 22 vs most ranges.
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10-25-2010 , 04:52 AM
Guess the reads are worthless.

Villain is able to fold buttons, "good" enough to float raggedy flops with A high and proved capable of folding to 3bets.

Maybe ahead of his 3betting range, no so sure about the 4bet shove calling range...

64bbs is the new 20bbs.
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