Dude wth... staapphh

This is hilarious

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Dudes i stole , ok ,i wont admit it in public , but after i invested the money you "suckers" lost , i made 8 times more (when you are broke its great to have free suckers money to start a stable = profitz )
Now im afraid my image and stable is damaged and this will cost me a LOT of money , probably 3-4 times more than what people lost betting against me

So...cuz im really clever i want this to stop asap , hence i will repay you.


IMO anyone who gets less than 100% interest is being stolen twice.

Ok post confirmed to be legit but I still can't believe the level of absurd in this post.
I'm the most far from being internet hater, but you seem to be so arrogant douch writing something like this, whatever your pathetic explanation might be.

Best of luck.

If I were 100% innocent I'd just mail stars to give me confirmation of that. While they can't give explanations of bans, I am 99% sure if you are completely clean, they'll have no problem confirming that.

I'd also show my db which will quickly confirm there was no chipdumping and most important the number of 2 and 1 reg games are just like everyone else playing decent volume at the same time.

I know that this will take a couple hours, but I figure for 130k or whatever it is, the hourly doing that would be decent enough.

This quick payment and wish to shut down any more dialogue actually makes it seem even sketchier. As said above how many of his mates, stables mates and backers where involved in chip dumping and illegal seat selection?

Lol at being innocent and not simply uploading the database for inspection.

I think he and people he is close to have much more to hide. And charging people to remove association with him seems like an exit scam.

Spins. bloody hell.

From what I know Alvaro from real life, probably more than most ITT, I think its very possible that if he was innocent he could just choose this chapter down by paying off and moving on. He has also been scammed very big previously by others and just moved on from it.

I met a lot of spins players and whilst I don't have a great understanding of the game, everything I saw/spoke about with him would give me great confidence that he would be one of the best if not the best if he dedicated himself to it (when you run a staking company like spinlegends or bitb its v hard to give 100% on yourself as a pure player) I assume he was using tools he basically thought was soft cheating, like his competition would be using the same stuff and at the time he wasn't setting out to scam people, but I could of course be wrong. It would surprise and sadden me if he was actually buying accounts and chip dumping. Then again there was Girah!


PokerStrategy I know very very well too IRL, and I know how morally correct the team are and that they would have been working very hard behind the scenes to make sure its 1) Rectified fairly, 2) People are compensated fairly.

so one of the best minds in spins believes that in a bet where - due to the toughness of the reg pool and blind lobbies - he has negotiated 100k of action @ 3-1 odds is ignorant enough to believe what he was doing was merely 'soft cheating'? and he is happy to have his reputation tarnished, horses flee and have to pay out $120k as a losing bet
just so he can close this chapter of his life.

that's some chapter closing right there. i might just have to buy the book.

i mean wtf does 'soft cheating' even mean lol. is this a common term used by a certain circle of stable owners to describe 'Illegal Things We All Do But Don't Talk About Publicly'?

You are quite competent about mtts and likely cash, Pads, I don't think this is the case about spins.

Hey,

I 1) Own one of the biggest spin stables, 2) Work very closely with the spin stables that are bigger than us. I know Alvaro irl, have spent many hours discussing buisiness with him and came very close to actually being business partners with him. I worked for PokerStrategy and know the guys there very very well. I think I understand the case pretty well.

Regarding innocence, remember how young he is and how little time he has been in poker. I know more intimate things about his situation and things where he has been scammed too, I think there is lots of ways where just paying out makes a lot of sense, especially if it effected his current business deals and the exit of them.

Regarding soft cheating, I meant that its very possible you can be using something that you don't regard yourself as cheating but others who bet against you would. Perhaps soft cheating didn't work out so well (as far as the ev graph shows) and then deeper stuff happened, like I say, knowing him personally and really taking a good like to him, it would sadden me if this was the case, but there is a lot of similarites between Alvaro and Girah. Age, intelligence, motivation, ability to convince others of their ability and perhaps less desirable things. The fact Alvaro ends this quickly and pays everybody at least shows something about him.

Regarding PS I think, especially as they are a proper company not just random staking team they replied pretty quickly, got to the bottom of it, spoke to Alvaro as quickly as they could and the outcome that everybody gets paid back I would imagine has a little bit to do with them...

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Weird, if he expresses his innocence about the challenge, than for what is he banned from Pokerstars that he did in the midst of the challenge, is this fake?


My conclusion about this whole story is that the fire got too big, there are too much angry partners and players, asking questions he can't answer, so his only move is to try to extinguish the fire and people digging and talking about this matter by paying the bettors, i'd imagine he'll risk losing much more money otherwise. For example i would have never played a single game more for SpinLegends, if he continued being involved in it, i'd imagine a lot of serious players feel that way too and don't want to have anything to do with him in the future

But i guess stables survived bigger hits, i've heard of this stable that had Akis and koh as coaches, you all heard the stories, is it still around? Oh wait... Soft cheating, what can you do about it

I don't imagine for a moment he isn't going to be "involved" in Spinlegends any more. Maybe not the face of it's advertising, sure - but he's surely still receiving the monies. What other incentive might there be to pay out $100k, even while being totally innocent. I suppose to cover up / lessen the heat of a huge ongoing cheating scheme, lol.

"Later on however, against all odds, Alvaro managed to turn the tables and won the challenge
with an evROI of 3.1%. That is how he became a legend and gained followers."

Mind you , the best regs would get 7.8 % ev roi against fish , and he only got 3 , so this means hes going to get raped big time as he did when he played withou the softw against the best players.

So the line about he could be the best player is kind of...you know ..lmao

I think when players try to defend the image of a scammer they should think really well
how that will damage their own image.

If it was me i would like to be really far away from a guy who hardly beats fish and then...

"That is why we consider him the best player in the world.
There is also no player that can teach you better on how to maximize your EV and multi
tabling skills on the highest stakes"

Omfg how noob must these guys be .


+ Anyone who is being staked is 100% entitled to leave . NOW

Just leave and you know what...they cant do anything because even if they post in 2p2
or try to scam you just redirect them to this thread for example.

Im sure there other stables that will take you and hopefully more honest and with better coaches.

Also lets not forget some days ago he just posted here he had a problem with a log in in Andorra and that was the reason he was banned

I find it very irritating when people dont see whats in front of their own eyes , these type of situations just show what companies really think of clients.

PS-2+2-Even a stable owner defend someone who 3 days ago was outright lying to everyone

Experienced players know whats going on , but you new guys , just think about it before you sacrifice your poker career.

why are smart spin coaches/admins even crying in this thread while their stakees are forced to share their hand histories to google drive and probably between eachother
so they can exploit player pool on all stakes
hypocrites

That imo is a completely ******ed post.

You are accusing everyone because you dont mention any names
i dont have anything to do with that stable and i already denounced som polish stables do manual group seating -skype etcetc

Many names are already being investigated in several sites (should not say this but they are going in previous data so its irrelevant if they change anyway)

You are contributing 0 to the thread

If you know stuff just open a thread and speak out , whatever stable it is

it would be nice if some spanish spins regs post here in order to clarify the situation...i think there's a lot of info that it's not being exposed as it should be.

Hello,
It has been 10 days since spin4play's post in this thread and 8 days since we sent our messages to provided email address.

Unfortunately, at the time of writing this post, I have still not received transfer nor any information as to when to expect it, despite follow-up emails.

I am starting to think it was simply delaying tactics and playing for time on Alvaro's part.
Taking lack of response and no ability to get in touch with Spin4play into account, once again I am forced to plead to Pokerstrategy representatives to get involved
-Are you in touch with Alvaro?
-Do you know why he is ignoring us?

I'd like to get this situation resolved ASAP and I would think that from PR standpoint it would be in your - Pokerstrategy - interest to do so as well.

Regards,
Surebet

Hello,
I can confirm Surebet's description. It looks like Spin4Play is stalling and I have not gotten any concrete information yet.

If within 48 hours we wont receive anything solid like dates of repayment and silence will continue, we'll have gather to consider how to move forward


TeemTeem

Definitely there should be some deadline set by Alvaro, otherwise it can take weeks and noone will know if he's taking it serious.

Hi, I do not speak English, so I used GoogleTranslate to translate what I want to write, I also attach the original message in Spanish, greetings.

Hello

I was part of SL and this seems too much because PS will have removed Spin4play and its challenge but the fact is that he continues to earn a lot of money as a majority shareholder of SL

So, as other mates have already commented, what I have done is to stay with the bank for the 10% that they have withheld, I will not pay the make up that I owe and I am already on my own earning 100% of the profits. If Álvaro can cheat more than $ 100,000 without major consequences, I do not see how my MU was going to be a problem for his company, since I know perfectly well that he is the owner of the SL brand.

If you are Spanish living in Spain no company can give you money to play poker because it is ILLEGAL and that is why they will not report you, the most they will do is threaten to denounce you looking for you to be scared and pay them. And if you live in Latin America or Central America the legal cost of claiming that money does not compensate them.

If in your case you do not have MU and you want to release the contract you can always burn the bank at the tables and ask for more, obviously there will come a point where they will throw you out of school for "bad" player, in this way DO NOT BREAK NOTHING CONTRACT and you can play on your own.

I do not intend to continue giving money to a person who has cheated the poker community, 100k to individuals in bets and who has sold a fraudulent product to PokerStrategy, I prefer to win 100% for me or change school.


Spanish TEXT:

Hola

Yo formaba parte de SL y esto me parece demasiado porque PS habrá quitado a Spin4play y su reto pero lo cierto es que él sigue ganando muchísimo dinero como accionista mayoritario de SL

Así que como ya han comentado otros compañeros lo que he hecho ha sido quedarme con la banca por el 10% que me han retenido, no pienso pagar el make up que debo y ya estoy por mi cuenta ganando el 100% de los beneficios. Si Álvaro puede estafar más de 100000$ sin mayores consecuencias no veo pq mi MU iba a ser un problema para su empresa, pues sé perfectamente que él es el propietario de la marca SL.

Si eres español viviendo en España ninguna empresa puede darte dinero para jugar a póker pues es ILEGAL y por eso no te van a denunciar, lo máximo que harán es amenazarte con denunciarte buscando que te asustes y les pagues. Y si vives el Latinoamérica o Centroamérica el coste legal de reclamarte ese dinero no les compensa.

Si en tu caso no tienes MU y quieres liberar el contrato siempre puedes quemar la banca en las mesas y pedir más, evidentemente llegará un punto en el que ellos te tirarán de la escuela por “mal” jugador, de este modo NO INCUMPLES NADA DEL CONTRATO y puedes jugar por tu cuenta.

Yo no pienso seguir dándole dinero a una persona que ha estafado a la comunidad de póker, 100k a particulares en apuestas y que les ha vendido un producto fraudulento a PokerStrategy, prefiero ganar el 100% para mí o cambiarme de escuela.

Solid first post!

Vamos!

Alvaro being a fraud doesn't really give everyone in the stable the right to run off with MU / start burning rollz for the lulz of it imo - if anything this would make the guys that he owes less likely to get paid anytime soon.

While it's sort of understandable that this is encouraging a lot of people to want to leave the stable - you're basically advocating stealing from the stable.

Just my common cents...

you are using flawed logic to justify your own theft on the account on the person you are stealing from potentially being a thief himself, it is incorrect

+1

sorry for my english
If you do not understand my position I will repeat it

I do not think it is totally correct, but there is a part, for example, by making an advertisement that you are going to give a coach "the best in the world", you can ask for more% of benefits .. or more number of games since many people will accept enchanted with tar to be at your side