Relax guys, the SpinLegends rep is actively looking into it and Alvaro already assured him there is nothing to worry about.

I bet if somehow Alvaro shows up he'll claim he didn't understand at the time what he was doing was a scam.

Let me understand the game. Is this going to say that Álvaro cheated on his challenge or want to **** all the Spin Legends players?
If you want to do the first thing, good luck. It shows the real evidence that that happened and then we started talking.
Personally I do not know if Álvaro cheated or not. What I do know and I assure you that this is true is that since Spin Legends we were NEVER incited to use anything illegal, quite the contrary. If we win more than you (I suppose we do it so that you have to play as disgustingly dirty by putting post as the one I quote) it is because from school we were always taught hard work, and that if we proposed it we would be the best in the world. Only that. And Álvaro was our mentor and the one who directed us to be where we are today. He did a crazy job. For a long time he devoted himself body and soul to making SL the best school in the world.
And another thing that assures me that Álvaro is innocent is that I have friends who have lived with him, during the challenge and later and THEY DO NOT KNOW ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING OF THAT PROGRAM.
That's where my knowledge about all this **** is.

On the other hand, I have no problem in showing my database, if I had to play against regs I played, no problem. I never used anything illegal. I like to play poker, I like to compete and deep down I like to see regs throwing **** on us. I think we are doing our job well.
Instead of saying nonsense, go study and worry about being better than us.
For my part (and I'm sure none of my colleagues either) would never make public a list with the nicks of players from another school and encouraging pokerstars to take action on us. It's so creepy that it gives me pain.

See you

Yes, I am sure he wrote this post to play dirty because you win more than him and he is left with no options. Vamos!

So someone coached, staked and close friends with Alvaro's inner circle assures us there's nothing to see here.

Pack up the pitch forks then lads...

So sick, I have conversations with which I can show that all the accusations are true.

Only gonna provide them to bettors

No argument here, everyone seems to agree that he's soul-less.

Also felt it was unlikely he could win the prop based on my perception of his winrate at the time and the likely drop off/decreased skill edge that would occur when forced to play so much volume. Ended up choosing not to bet because I figured there was more than a non zero chance of being cheated/angled somehow, as too many of these props/threads seem to end up going that route. The original bettor ends up having too much money invested and looks to other, sometimes unscrupulous avenues to secure a win and the only recourse for the people who bet against him is to wag their fingers and badmouth him on internet forums. If he did indeed cheat, I sincerely hope that he faces the proper repercussions and those who were swindled get their money back.

My english is so bad that i will make it in my mother language

Es gracioso anoyedyaya que digas que Aligatorri decidio abandonar su relacion con Alvaro cuando se entero de que este usaba el programa, cuando Aligatorri a sido quien mas uso le a dado de todo el field, jugando a 12-14 mesas durante varios meses e incluso desde cuentas diferentes, cuentas compradas a terceros, falsificando facturas o contratos de alquiler. Algo que me temo puedan estar haciendo a dia de hoy desde alguna de esas cuentas koreanas, alemanas o de Suiza

Habla tambien de como emotionx y aligatorri robaron entre 40 y 50k$ a alvaro proveniente del profit de los alumnos aprovechando que la escuela no existia oficial/legalmente cuando decidieron prescindir de el cuando spinwin existia

si quieres repartir puñaladas hazlo con igualdad

Tambien resulta gracioso o patetico @rompa k critiques a los tramposos cuando tu participaste en ese supuesto chipduming

Google translate says (dual language users, feel free to correct):

It is funny anoyedyaya to say that Aligatorri decided to leave his relationship with Alvaro when he learned that he was using the program, when Aligatorri was the most used to give him the whole field, playing 12-14 tables for several months and even from different accounts, accounts purchased from third parties, falsifying invoices or rental agreements. Something that I fear may be doing today from one of those Korean, German or Swiss accounts

He also talks about how emotionx and aligatorri stole between 40 and 50k $ alvaro from the profit of the students, taking advantage of the fact that the school did not exist officially / legally when they decided to dispense with it when spinwin existed

if you want to divide stabs do it with equality

It is also funny or pathetic @rompa k criticize cheats when you participated in that chipduming course

are you ****ing kidding me? why dont you put your name and then say that bull**** about me? ive never ever chimpduming what the hell are you talking about? piece of crap.

Hi all –

By way of introduction my name is Pavel Stehno and I am COO of PokerStrategy.com.

I want to be clear that as a company we value the integrity of our business partners. We have taken quick action to remove all references to spin4play and his challenge from the PokerStrategy.com website.

I am coming here to address one matter. Some users are expressing their hopes on PokerStrategy.com helping them to pursue their claims against spin4play. This will NOT happen for two reasons:

1. Personal matters you may have with spin4play should be taken up with spin4play.
2. PokerStrategy.com is not in the business of resolving 3rd party disputes. We will not interfere. We did not know spin4play in the beginning of 2016. Since February 2017 PokerStrategy.com were advertising SpinLegends including spin4play challenge, but we have done so in a good faith that this was genuine. With the recent new information we have decided to immediately stop advertising any materials related to spin4play on PokerStrategy.com website.

We understand that you might be looking for alternative ways to solve this situation, however, PokerStrategy will not be able to assist you for the reasons mentioned above. Thanks for your understanding.

Good luck everyone with their genuine personal interests in this matter.

2+2 MODs

Why is the guy allowed to have a thread in 2p2 with either proof or very strong suspicion ?


IMO , if 2+2 dont ban these kind of scammers they are just being completely incompetent
to use kind words

***Breaking News***

Hi,
I'm coming forward with fresh information which is confirming my opening post.



Moreover, over the last few days I've gathered more condemning evidence of Spin4Play's cheating during the challenge, for the time being I'll keep it private, due to the confirmation from Pokerstars Integrity Team.

I hope it will open the eyes of all original disbelievers.

Regards.

Which guy are you referring to having a thread? Sorry I don't understand your post.

he is referring to spin legend staking thread.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...ching-1668208/

If hes allowed here this only shows a complete lack of character and huge incompetence from 2+2

Now i saw coffiway is there also lol

Did he knew about this ? I wont comment about his coaching abilities but he seemed honest from what i know

I believe not everyone is guilty (or i want to believe) but making a thread + staking stable where the main information was built around a hoax/scam is something 2+2 should ban

Assuming the screenshot is valid, he almost assuredly violated the rules of the prop and owes six figures to the bettors. Would like to see more of the evidence though, don't see any particular reason to keep it hidden/private.

I obviously can't confirm he cheated, but it's telling that he hasn't come forward to defend himself.

But he is (or was) a part of SpinLegends, as:

1) The Main/Head Coach

2) The Original 'Legend'

3) The Best In The World

The appeal/draw of joining SpinLegends was nearly 100% based on his challenge (which now appears to be completed fraudulently) and the potential to learn from his coaching/skillset. As I wrote above, SpinLegends lists him as the main coach, the legend, the best in the world, etc so whatever happened in his 'personal' situation is extremely relevant. Don't know how someone could think otherwise.

I don't want to go down this rabbit hole too much, but people are allowed to care about things that they don't have personal investments in. I can donate to a cause like breast cancer research even though myself or a loved one doesn't have the disease, I can care about human rights violations abroad even if I've never been to that country nor met any of the victims.

If you insist that people must have a personal connection to a wrong in order to want to make it right, then Kobmish is/was a Spin regular and therefore adversely affected by the challenge both directly and indirectly. Regardless, it's a terrible argument on your part and misses the entire point of this discussion which is -- People appear to have been cheated out of a substantial amount of money and a company being advertised on 2+2 has knowingly or unwittingly capitalized on that scam in order to profit.

Thanks.

Given what has come to light in the last 24 hrs, I'd imagine PokerStrategy will be removing spin4play's name from that thread (and any other threads on any other advertising platforms). An admin on 2p2 handles those threads, it's out of my abilities/responsibilities. I'd imagine PS would want spin4play's name, association, etc. removed from that stable, that's kinda what I gathered from the post but maybe they can answer that better here.

Coffeeyay joined as a coach well after that stable was up and running I believe. But I don't know who knows what, I'd only heard confirmations about the cheating over the last few weeks (and no players that would go on record or I'd of published an article myself) and rumors for a month or two prior.

Hi,
In 2016 i was playing 100s and bet againts spin4play - $4k, because challenge looked impossible to do.
After that confirmation from Pokerstars Integrity Team it's obvious now that spin4play violated term of challenge and he should pay back whole amount he won in challenge + money he should lost.

I'm curious how many other people was involved in that, helping spin4play won this propbet and if they were banned too. Especially those who chimp dumped to him during the challenge.

@AAPP
Please show us those conversations on Skype. Are there any nicknames mentioned?
If we could get hand histories from Pokerstars from the time of this challenge it would be easy to find those chip dumps.

I wonder what person who checked those hh after the challenge have to say.
Also curious what spin4play have to say about it and why it takes him so long? Too many hands to edit?

If anyone else have some more information about spin4play cheating in the challenge or was betting against him - please come forward and post in this thread.

Put this in the public court of NVG imo.

It's too big of a scam to be in this subforum

Any new news in this case?

well, srslysirius told you guys back in 2011. Timestamp (1:54)

Hello,

Dear Pokerstrategy, I feel that we need to revisit your future engagement in this case. Saying that you are washing your hands from this issue and it is a personal act of one individual, cannot be a serious approach for someone in your position in poker community for many years.
Alvaro Romero is still benefiting from your cooperation, as well as you are benefiting from cooperation with Alvaro and advertisement of his scam. Can you hold all current, and upcoming payments to Alvaro, to cover his debt?
Can we expect a statement from the owner of Spinlegends explaining his behaviour and how is he going to repay stolen funds? I find it hard to believe that you aren't in contact with your biggest business partner.


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To everyone affected by Spin4Play's scam => Send an email to spin4playfraud@gmail.com with amount you have been cheated for and some contact information (f.e skype).
We need to establish united front as bettors and find the best approach moving forward.
There are some steps we need to agree upon. For example maybe we could find someone willing to buy this debt and execute it's collection on his own.

Regards.

Dear all -

we have already commented to the extent we are able to comment.

Personal matters which you may have with Alvaro should be taken up with Alvaro.

We are unable to offer any further comment on this matter. Any further public comments asserting otherwise will not lead to anything productive.

Thanks for your understanding.

PokerStrategy.com

Curious if there's been any other investigation into accounts associated with Spin4play. Have any other bans come as a result and/or have privileges been removed (i.e. ability to send xfers, registering for particular games/formats or playing with certain individuals)?

It's possible that there's a lot more going on here -- given the allegations of chipdumping during in his challenge and his prominent role/position in SpinLegends afterward, there's no telling how many people/accounts gained access to that software. It feels like we're just scratching the surface.