Originally Posted by annoyedyaya
Hi there. Would like to contribute to this thread and help revealing the whole truth. I don’t have proof of many of what I’m going to say, but as you know there is no smoke without fire. Hopefully other people who know stuff will contribute as well. It’s also very relevant that in all this time of rumours, Alvaro in person hasn’t come to the forum to refute them. If I was him and was innocent it’s for sure first thing I would have done first day this came up.
Alvaro was a more or less unknown poker player who played low-mid stakes HU sng in the spanish field. In july 2015 they decided to create a spin school with “Aligatorri”, a quite more known mid-high stakes spanish cash player. Just a few later a more well known HU sng player in 2+2 joined them as well, “emotionx”. This first school was called “spinwin”.
I’ve met many of their players personally or online since I played spins with them a lot in .es and .com. Also played against Alvaro and emotionx. I can say they are good players, but wouldn’t say they are outstanding ones, so for the first moment was hard to believe for me that Alvaro did this challenge.
It seems at that time Alvaro was “busted” and owing around 15k, so emotionx suggested him to do this propbet. What i’ve been told from different sources (players from their school) is that he was using a program that could reveal who was registered at the spin. He had also agreement with other spanish players to let him win chips so he could increase his ev during those spins that would play against each other.
Not only this, but as many people can guess, many of the players of the school of the highest stakes in spins (100s at that moment) were also using this program. As far as I know there were not all the players, but only the ones that had more confidence with him.
Just after the challenge, the coachs of spinwin decided to split. A decision that nobody said why it was taken, but what i’ve been told is the following: Alvaro was using this program without the knowledge of Aligatorri, and also letting it use to some of his closer players, but not all of them, so those who were not involved were of course in disadvantage. When Aligatorri discovered this, he decided not to continue with the project with him. After the split most of the players would go with emotionx/ aligatorri new school called “spinEV”, since they were supposed to be the better coaches. Anyway they closed spinEV a bit afterwards. However, it would be nice if any of them can come to this thread and give their version.
Alvaro himself did a very good job of marketing with his challenge and had a lot of success with his new school SpinLegends. By the way, this guy is living in Malta and his company should be registered there too, if it is legal (for long time at least i know it was not registered legally, so it was not paying taxes). Just saying in case someone wants to take legal actions (probably since is European Union you don’t even need to go to Malta to do it).
If his players used this program in pokerstars.es is even worse, since the field in 100s is so small and rake is 7% (plus taxes). That means playing there even with 1 fish per table is not profit. You need 2 fishes per table to beat the rake and the variance. At some hours of the day, 1 or 2 regulars can fulfill the field and will make the game not profitable anymore. Unless you have a program like this, of course. And I guess aswell if they have any player in Winamax it should be very harmful too, since variance is huge there, and it’s a field with high rake and full of regs. Also if spinelite or other schools have this kind of programs it’s just going to make it unprofitable for rest of regulars.
Also we don’t know up to today if some of these players are using this program or anything similar, even that I know they were doing it, and if you were Alvaro and have this chance I guess you are going to make the most of it and give it to all the players you can so they can make money for you. I’m going to mention some of the players I know that have or had relation with either spin4play or SpinLegends, even that I guess many of them have nothing to do with this, but if pokerstars security personal read this they can investigate all of them and take their conclusions:
pokerstars.com: V1daltrap, emotionx, DOCTORROMERO, JC-TheGuide, acroentela, B4NKROLL3R, snapRoB, alejolb18, 1stclassfree, spin4play, sinkhole
pokerstars.fres: alvaro951951, Sir Baal, skon94, adriia18, rutxo, nutskiker, kaidien10, hugocordero, 44givemehope, paphelito, KIDpillest, BustoUno, ignaciomol, L@mentabl@, zyclonator, Fold1221, Juanki9605, r0bbins, estupendotio, DanixORZ, palomeke222, David Mirazo, meacolonia92, sinkhole46, Blak Mirror, il-bambino69, Mashed1, ZylerZ, emotionxxx
Anyways, for pokerstars it should be very easy to proof this. They just have to calculate if the proportion of fish he faced is higher than usual, also according to volume.
Also good to check by stars if the same guys that are in .es that have account in .com and if they cheated there too, since many of them play there as well. Worth noting that many of them play with strong complicated VPNs too against pokerstars terms and conditions.
Finally, I have to lean towards allowing table selection. If pokerstars reads this, it’s worth to know how much damage is causing their policy of not being able to choose a table. It’s like prohibiting scripts, if it’s forbidden but since most of people are going to use them, you are just going to be in a very clear disadvantage if you don’t do it yourself. If spinwiz was allowed this would never had happened.
GL to you all recovering your money stolen