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10-18-2020 , 11:57 AM
Mayby its beginner question, but how to get good calling ranges.
For example 9BB shove for opponent.
According to nash i should call 9Jo-9,5bb, T8s-9,3, Q6s-9.9BB

But when i am calling such hands i am totaly crashed. Seems like opponents wont shove with 45s,95s,67s type of hands.They tend to limp

How to find my range to call regz down?
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10-18-2020 , 12:08 PM
Use Nash when you have less than 7 bb
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10-18-2020 , 01:11 PM
OP if you have an iPhone, there's a good app called "Preflop+" that has a nash trainer/charts


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10-18-2020 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by pensodasolo
Use Nash when you have less than 7 bb
Are you jamming JJ-AA at 6bb?
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10-18-2020 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by HokieGreg
Are you jamming JJ-AA at 6bb?
I don't. But if you don't jam those hands you have to limp other hands as well to balance the range and it gets too complicated considering the question of OP
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10-18-2020 , 10:31 PM
Almost all (98%+) of the hands Nash jams at 6bb, for example, are also GTO range shoves at 6bb. GTO is shoving all of these hands despite trapping ~77-AA. I think OP should limp probably 99-AA, and for simplicity sake jam the Nash hands and also limp a few hands just outside of your openshove range (all going to be GTO limps). Shoving biggest pairs at 4.5-6bb seems a good amount worse than a limp vs most players. I don't actually use Nash until 4bb and lower from both positions, but not really sure I'm right about that - different stuff seems better to me anythign above that depth.
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10-20-2020 , 02:44 AM
At 10 to 11 bb I'd call A9o+ A6s+ 55+. Vs your described villain. E.g. you call, he shovs you A6o, AT, AJs, 77, all the good stuff. When it gets below 10, add in KQ, KJ, QJs, when it gets even more shallow add in more top royal connectors, then higher sooted Kx, like K7s to K9s. then Q9s.

The thing is, the villain you describe and I see these 'nitregs' a lot in lower spins levels. You win them via folding very most of your range to their open push, incl. A2 to A5, A6o which are super often dominated by their actual push range. How many times have you see them open lower nash range? Prob. rarely to never. Probably the last time you can recall happened maybe 300 spins and 2 days ago. How often have you see them push sh*t like A7o, AJo, 66, 77, 88? All the time!!

If you play a low number of tables, you can write notes, say, villain open pushed AQo 11bb depth and stacked my A7s, first open push. So you have some notes to go by the next time. As per call range. Estimate villains' push range and simply put in hands you're curious about in equilab. If you're 11bb depth, say, you have 400 (440, 40 chips have been posted) chips, blinds are 20/40. You want 45.45% or higher equity to call the push (400 chips more to win 880). If villain pushes A2o+, 22+ and doesn't push JJ to AA (they typically push TT, from my experience). KQo is a clean fold. KQs also is a fold vs this population who NEVER push non Ax non pair at 11bb depth.

Last edited by EPTchips; 10-20-2020 at 02:58 AM.
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10-20-2020 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by EPTchips
At 10 to 11 bb I'd call A9o+ A6s+ 55+. Vs your described villain. E.g. you call, he shovs you A6o, AT, AJs, 77, all the good stuff. When it gets below 10, add in KQ, KJ, QJs, when it gets even more shallow add in more top royal connectors, then higher sooted Kx, like K7s to K9s. then Q9s.

The thing is, the villain you describe and I see these 'nitregs' a lot in lower spins levels. You win them via folding very most of your range to their open push, incl. A2 to A5, A6o which are super often dominated by their actual push range. How many times have you see them open lower nash range? Prob. rarely to never. Probably the last time you can recall happened maybe 300 spins and 2 days ago. How often have you see them push sh*t like A7o, AJo, 66, 77, 88? All the time!!

If you play a low number of tables, you can write notes, say, villain open pushed AQo 11bb depth and stacked my A7s, first open push. So you have some notes to go by the next time. As per call range. Estimate villains' push range and simply put in hands you're curious about in equilab. If you're 11bb depth, say, you have 400 (440, 40 chips have been posted) chips, blinds are 20/40. You want 45.45% or higher equity to call the push (400 chips more to win 880). If villain pushes A2o+, 22+ and doesn't push JJ to AA (they typically push TT, from my experience). KQo is a clean fold. KQs also is a fold vs this population who NEVER push non Ax non pair at 11bb depth.
This is way too nitty and requires a degree of certainty that you never actually have in reality.
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10-20-2020 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by HokieGreg
This is way too nitty and requires a degree of certainty that you never actually have in reality.
What do you mean I don't have that degree of certainty in reality. Statistics don't lie. Now, if you play a different stake, different site and villains act vs you differently, you might need other ranges of course.
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10-20-2020 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by EPTchips
What do you mean I don't have that degree of certainty in reality. Statistics don't lie. Now, if you play a different stake, different site and villains act vs you differently, you might need other ranges of course.
You are folding KQs to a 10bb openshove vs regs (or literally anyone)? You need villain to be shoving so few 87s KTo K8s A2o QJo T8s type combos for your calling range to be much wider. I can't imagine how you have enough certainty that villain isn't shoving these type hands ever without a massive sample vs them. This just seems absolutely terrible to me. How are you going about identifying a player as the type that doesn't open shove 33 A3o KJo T8s at 10 bb's exactly? I need to know how to do this.

Last edited by HokieGreg; 10-20-2020 at 05:10 PM.
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10-20-2020 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by HokieGreg
You are folding KQs to a 10bb openshove vs regs (or literally anyone)? You need villain to be shoving so few 87s KTo K8s A2o QJo T8s type combos for your calling range to be much wider. I can't imagine how you have enough certainty that villain isn't shoving these type hands ever without a massive sample vs them. This just seems absolutely terrible to me. How are you going about identifying a player as the type that doesn't open shove 33 A3o KJo T8s at 10 bb's exactly? I need to know how to do this.
Depends on the feel, on the stats. Mostly vs everyone to be fair.
What happens if I call? I'm a dog (worse).. to flip, best. I mostly lose the flip. What's the point. I can just fold and utilize my edge later the game goes? I have net positive cEV edge HU, why risk it as dog in a flip? That's -EV.

On, for Pokerstars. 1)Merge hand histories with notes to filter only people you've color coded as X. Regs / fish, whatever, whomever you want to check this vs., you can also use code to filter vs people who've you have most hands vs. e.g. regulars in terms of how often they play not based on your color code. If you want notes approach, pick the notes .xml file from Pokerstars directory and feed it to your code. If you want other criteria, make it yourself. If you want vs 'all population', don't filter sh*t.

2)Use code to check their range, e.g. extract how often they open push. What has been their range vs your calls? If you want to be a real, what's it called, a "Honkler", make code take cards removal in effect because this will be more accurate than if you don't.

3)Use code to analyze their range and equity of hands vs their range. You can even use code to show you exact equity percentages of all the hands you can be dealt.

Last edited by ChicagoRy; 10-20-2020 at 11:12 PM. Reason: Poster requested self-edit
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10-20-2020 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by EPTchips
Depends on the feel, on the stats. Mostly vs everyone to be fair.
What happens if I call? I'm a dog (worse).. to flip, best. I mostly lose the flip. What's the point. I can just fold and utilize my edge later the game goes? I have net positive cEV edge HU, why risk it as dog in a flip? That's -EV.
Noones edge is big enough at 10bbs to be folding 50% (or even less) equity hands when you only need 45% equity to call. You are at 10bbs.

You said code so much. You got cheat codes bruh? Is it Up Down Up Down B A Start? Or maybe that was for Mario Brothers 3.

“You want to play premium hands only. Tight, but aggressive. That’s your game professor.” - Mike McD

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10-20-2020 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by HokieGreg
Noones edge is big enough at 10bbs to be folding 50% (or even less) equity hands when you only need 45% equity to call. You are at 10bbs.

You said code so much. You got cheat codes bruh? Is it Up Down Up Down B A Start? Or maybe that was for Mario Brothers 3.

“You want to play premium hands only. Tight, but aggressive. That’s your game professor.” - Mike McD

Sorry, was frustrated. You do need database population tendency analysis, though, to answer the question correctly.

Yeah I probably call KQs, KQo in A game I lay down. It's just the villains' range is like an arrow. A2+, 22 to TT. There's no to almost no other hands in it at 10bb left + 1bb posted depth.
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10-21-2020 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by EPTchips
Sorry, was frustrated. You do need database population tendency analysis, though, to answer the question correctly.

Yeah I probably call KQs, KQo in A game I lay down. It's just the villains' range is like an arrow. A2+, 22 to TT. There's no to almost no other hands in it at 10bb left + 1bb posted depth.
At 10bb in SB, how are guys playing hands like KJo K8s K6s Q9s 98s 86s. It’s hard to believe these are never open shoved.
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10-21-2020 , 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by HokieGreg
At 10bb in SB, how are guys playing hands like KJo K8s K6s Q9s 98s 86s. It’s hard to believe these are never open shoved.
Me, I open shove them most of the time. Might limp KJo, Q9s, 98s, 86s if opponent doesn't iso / iso-jam almost at all, I think it's more profitable. Depends on villain. K8s K6s no brainer shove imo.

But the population by my observation, they don't. They limp. They limp every single hand you listed.
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10-21-2020 , 02:21 AM
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Me, I open shove them most of the time. Might limp KJo, Q9s, 98s, 86s if opponent doesn't iso / iso-jam almost at all, I think it's more profitable. Depends on villain. K8s K6s no brainer shove imo.

But the population by my observation, they don't. They limp. They limp every single hand you listed.
Are they folding them to ISO jams (KJo, Q9s etc, not 86s)??

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10-21-2020 , 02:54 AM
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Are they folding them to ISO jams (KJo, Q9s etc, not 86s)??
KJo no, never. Q9s, depends, prob. 50/50.
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10-21-2020 , 06:35 AM
EPTchips, i feel like you know little to none about proper spins pop. tendencies or a solid core strategy to that matter.

dug bit deep eh.

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Last edited by evqualizer; 10-21-2020 at 06:42 AM.
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10-21-2020 , 02:40 PM
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EPTchips, i feel like you know little to none about proper spins pop. tendencies or a solid core strategy to that matter.

dug bit deep eh.

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What could you know about population tendencies? You're so bad at tech you can't even disable Tapatalk signature from your posts.

But really, you come in criticize me and tell me my observation of the micro stakes is not correct? So your observation? Somebody is shipping Q3s vs you in $5 spins 11bb deep and now all of a sudden it's a population tendency?
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10-21-2020 , 06:40 PM
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What could you know about population tendencies? You're so bad at tech you can't even disable Tapatalk signature from your posts.
nice
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10-21-2020 , 11:47 PM
@EPTchips, your observations are fine man. keep up good work. glgl

I'd call A9o+ A6s+ 55+
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10-22-2020 , 01:57 PM
EV you repeated in three different threads that you'd A9 etc. I don't get what are you talking about. What would you call?
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10-22-2020 , 02:06 PM
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EV you repeated in three different threads that you'd A9 etc. I don't get what are you talking about. What would you call?
thats just a sneaky uncomfortable forum signature.
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10-22-2020 , 02:27 PM
Haha OK ����
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10-23-2020 , 05:38 PM
maletaja81 you still here pal?
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