I play in a similar rec heavy pool but with 15bb starting stacks, and I am finding a lot of value limping very wide in these spots even at the shallower 15bb depth.

50%+

What stack size would you use purely push fold? For flash games and regular spin and gos.

Only play flashes ultras and five bbs. Obv villain dependant but in a vacuum.

Also 5bbs. Not sure it should make a difference whether it’s reg or flash/ultra? Unless we expect player pools to make different mistakes I guess

I start around 7/8 typically but notice a lot of players will push fold a lot higher typically 14 in the #2 stars.

Thanks. At 12bb or less, if you minraise or limp your strongest hands (TT+, AKs) plus a few very trash hands (eg. 74o), and shove or fold everything else, is that a big mistake? This is at the heads up stage, not 3 handed.

I wouldn't open fold anything 12bbs (well 62 - 82 the very btm of my range)unless the villain is very raise happy guy. In the smallest stakes people don't iso enough so you can get away just limping and betting a bb on the flop and print. Don't know how big of a mistake it is ev wise just don't do it myself.

E in theory you shouldn't have minraise range 12bbs or less and most definetely not raisefold range.

I checked the ranges for 3 handed. BTN folds, SB and BB have 10bb each. It says SB should minraise hands like T5s, T4s, Q8o, Q7o. Are you calling all those to a jam?

No and I only minraise fold them 50% of the time. And I ment you shouldn't have minraise range HU not 3w. If btn folds the game is still 3w.

Ok. When heads up, for example 6bb deep, the small blind limps 146 combos but only about 45 of those combos are value hands. The other 100 are trash like Q5s, J5o, 93s. Why don't you limp a roughly even ratio of value to trash?

Why would you limp a roughly even ratio of value:trash? That is to ask, why do you feel 50%value/50%mixture is some sort of magic ratio--what makes .5 special?

When you find what makes the ratio special, you'll have also answered the question of why GTO has the ratio it has :-)

Well I was mainly asking what the math/logic is behind limping much more trash than value?

Can anyone give some tips for a spins stats review? Have a small sample of c. 1200 tournaments, but am guessing there are still some stats to look at that would indicate leaks?

You can do this in your tracker, below are some examples of stats which are beneficial to take a look at.

1) VPIP - both 3way and HU. You can do this by position, BTN, SB, BB - This way you can look to see if you are playing the correct ranges Pre - Checking your opening range on the BTN etc.
2) C-BET frequency - Limped and Raised pots - Are you over/under C-betting?
3) Check Raise - Are you check raising the correct ranges? Are you missing good check raise spots?
4) Fold vs Cbet - Are you defending the correct ranges? Are you too tight? too loose here?

Whenever reviewing stats, its also a good idea to look at the hands within these stat parameters for some real time examples. Plenty of other stats you can analyse, and its good that you have asked and are wanting to look into this yourself

Best of luck for your future grind buddy

Thanks lots of good info here. The check raise is something I realized I wasn't doing enough of so started adding in check raising middle pair and even some gut shots and it has helped.

i used to use H2N and with enough data its was really comfortable to analyze stats and strategy as a whole.

but what thing is to see numbers and HH behind them but another thing is to know what's correct or how far we are from optimal or so.
like if one has a c/r on the flop 5% vs 10% which one is more correct.

but this info as far as i know is pretty difficult to obtain.

Looking for some help on this hand. The min rearise screamed huge hand. i didn't have much history 25 hands but he had never 3 bet at all and seemed generally tight. What do you do in this spot?

PokerStars - 15/30 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 23.87 BB
Hero (SB): 26.13 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 8

Hero raises to 2.3 BB, BB raises to 3.6 BB, Hero calls 1.3 BB

Flop: (7.2 BB, 2 players) J 6 T
BB bets 20.27 BB and is all-in, fold

BB wins 7.2 BB

Yeah panic shove with aces so you don't suckout. Pretty strd without better reads. Fwiw would mr pre not 2.3bb.

I dont think theres only aces there but nontheless fold to CB jam OTF

I figured big A's would jam pre. He would min raise with most pairs better than mine. Maybe some KJs that hit top pair. That was a pretty wet board if your sitting with two black A, K or Q.

Naah don't think these types of players jams aces kings pre. They might jam something similar to you because they are scared that A hits the flop.

This is a $2 spin so I am used to seeing weird ****. Watched a guy today open 25BB from the button with 32 suited and crushed my AA with his flush.

I tagged this hand to review. I didn't think it was a lose call preflop but now I am beginning to wonder? With bottom pair here can you continue?

PokerStars - 10/20 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 24 BB
BB: 20 BB
Hero (BTN): 31 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 8

Hero raises to 2 BB, SB raises to 5 BB, fold, Hero calls 3 BB

Flop: (11 BB, 2 players) T 8 K
SB bets 5.5 BB, Hero folds

SB wins 11 BB

To begin with A8o is a fold pre for me. Even for the smaller 3b 6bbs is strd from sb. When we end up here continue with bdfds and fold this one. For smaller cb might peel with the As if villain is weak but thatäs a small freq thing.

Yeah this sheet happens esp in the 2x multis in higher limits allso.