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Old 02-28-2018, 04:31 PM   #426
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Has anyone reviewed BPC's Charts they have for sale for $10? They're full interactive and seem decent.
Is it an App? id be careful using something like that I was banned a while back for around 2 weeks for using some preflop charts app
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Old 02-28-2018, 05:14 PM   #427
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Is it an App? id be careful using something like that I was banned a while back for around 2 weeks for using some preflop charts app
Browser based I believe.
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Old 02-28-2018, 05:35 PM   #428
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Browser based I believe.
Should be fine then, i would be careful buying stuff from BPC as afaik they dont have any known good players? or atleast iv never heard of them mentioned, imo you have to make your own charts or join a stable to get the most up-to date stuff or take ranges from a solver like PIO/skierdb
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Old 03-01-2018, 08:29 AM   #429
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Has anyone reviewed BPC's Charts they have for sale for $10? They're full interactive and seem decent.
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Is it an App? id be careful using something like that I was banned a while back for around 2 weeks for using some preflop charts app
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Browser based I believe.
is an excel file.

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Should be fine then, i would be careful buying stuff from BPC as afaik they dont have any known good players? or atleast iv never heard of them mentioned, imo you have to make your own charts or join a stable to get the most up-to date stuff or take ranges from a solver like PIO/skierdb
my preflop ranges are on a desktop app that runs on flash, been using it for a while and havent got any issues.
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Old 03-01-2018, 08:54 AM   #430
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is an excel file.


my preflop ranges are on a desktop app that runs on flash, been using it for a while and havent got any issues.
thats probably because its just you using it? a friend of mine made a little charts app, 5 of us used it, stars picked up on it and banned us all for 2 weeks
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Old 03-05-2018, 08:22 PM   #431
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thats probably because its just you using it?
I can assure you im not the only one using it and im also sure there are more than 5 people using it.
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Old 03-13-2018, 04:51 PM   #432
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What is your average duration for a spin and Go tournament ?
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Old 03-13-2018, 05:10 PM   #433
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What is your average duration for a spin and Go tournament ?
8 minutes i think
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Old 03-15-2018, 08:55 PM   #434
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25 hands or so believe you play 7 or 8 per hour if you´re 1 tabling.
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Old 04-08-2018, 03:37 PM   #435
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Quick question, what is the best strategy to use with A2-A7 in HU situation with 8-12BB ITB vs reg in 50$ spin & gos ? min raise call / fold ? limp and call ? shove ?
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Old 04-10-2018, 05:17 AM   #436
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Quick question, what is the best strategy to use with A2-A7 in HU situation with 8-12BB ITB vs reg in 50$ spin & gos ? min raise call / fold ? limp and call ? shove ?
Just shove vs anyone, only other option Id consider is limp call/jam if you have good read BBs iso is very high, something like idk 60%+
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Old 12-10-2018, 06:41 PM   #437
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I got one about my redline. It's going down too fast imo. Do you think in shallow stack games like spins, preflop or postflop is where I should be focusing my attention if I'm to improve my non-showdown winnings?
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Your preflop game has to be fairly solid. Preflop mistakes will be smaller but are much more frequent than specific postflop mistakes. Bad ranges pre also hurt you postflop.

Don't worry about your redline, focus on making the best decisions each hand. Plenty of crushers have a losing redline. Your redline will go up the more you're betting and the bigger you're betting because people will fold more.
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^this

The issue with the red line is that it's not a good predictor of EV. This is because there will be many decisions that are very close in EV, but have drastically different results in terms of red line vs blue line earnings (examples include bluff catching on river and thin value betting).

The one use in examining them is that if one of the lines is drastically worse than other winning regs then this gives an indicator of the types of places you should look for leakfinding. However, even in this case it's not the best of indicators anyways because the losses can be coming from a number of different spots and not all of them will be worth the same leakbusting EV. Some leaks will be unimportant to change while others will be very important, and the red line gives no ideas as to where these spots are or how important they are.

Cliffs: Ignore red/line blue line. Your time is better spent elsewhere.
Thanks for the analysis!

There's a weird inconsistency in my non-showdown winnings Namely, over a small recent sample of 777 games (686 $0.25s and 91 $1s at Stars), my 3-max and HU red lines are pointing in opposite directions and are different at a statistically significant level. How normal is it?

Namely, the 3-max one is -19 chips per game while the overall 3-max EV is 36 cpg. The HU red line is +19 cpg (avg over all the games, not just those 564 - 72.6% of the sample - where I got HU; the avg per HU finish is 26) while the HU EV is 54 cpg (or 74 chips per top-2 finish). Thus the total red line is breakeven; the total sample EV is 90 cpg (the standard deviation of this estimate is 15 cpg), and 3-max is 40% of it (is this ratio on the high side?).

Apart from leaks, an explanation that I've come up with is that people who shove or overbet too often at 10/20-15/30 are abundant at 0.25s but relatively unlikely to survive until the HU, so in the 3-max, while they're still in, I often have to give up my blinds or postflop pots, not only because of the pot odds but because I try to maximize the winrate in the whole tourney, whereas the HU phase is usually vs the more tight-passive subpopulation, who overfold to postflop aggression.

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Old 12-11-2018, 09:16 AM   #438
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How normal is it?
From my personal experience it's normal. 3 handed most of your winnings come from opponents spewing to you, so it's tough to have a positive redline 3 handed.
headsup it's in turn tough to get people to showdown. Also quite a big portion of the HU game is just push/fold. So you usually have a positive redline here.
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Old 12-11-2018, 10:21 AM   #439
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Also quite a big portion of the HU game is just push/fold.
That's definitely not true, unless you are an old school 6max reg.
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Old 12-11-2018, 10:44 AM   #440
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Well, $60+ endbosses are great at postflop play and can afford to r/c A7s 12 bb deep or even raise 2.5x over a limp; I hate the decision fatigue that postflop causes, so I just jam because the low stake population sometimes calls with much worse out of the blue (to be exact, their calling ranges tend to be inelastic to the stack depth, i.e. they call wider than Nash deep but tighter when super-shallow, as in, <8 bb).

I really feel that jamming mediocre Ax/Kx a bit wider than Nash extracts hassle-free fat value from Stars $0.25-1 population just like it did from the recs of €10 Twister in 2014-15. Simplifications like this allow me to play a bit more tables at the price of a slight ROI drop.

Thanks for the replies!

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Old 02-13-2019, 05:54 PM   #441
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Hey all, I'm transitioning to spins from cash games. What are some good free resources or content creators I should check out?


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Old 02-14-2019, 03:38 PM   #442
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Play a lot, read and post hands on this forum to start, see how you're doing then you can evaluate what your next step is. For every 4 players that tries a game out, maybe 1 will stick with it for more than a month or two, so just really get your feet wet, make sure the game is enjoyable enough for you and see where you're at in a month or two (or hell, jump right in if that's you! Just my advice is all).

We have some free spin and go content on the HUSNGcom youtube channel, but it's not particularly structured for learning from scratch, so there will be a bit of exploration and decision making on what to watch and when for you.
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Old 02-14-2019, 05:57 PM   #443
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Hey guys. I am just now starting to grind some Spins on Stars.

I have experience in playing STT 6-max SNGs so i know some basics.

Is there some place i can download some low cost or free simple HM2 HUD and some charts?
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:44 PM   #444
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Is there a way to find out how much money the top spin and go players made in a certain year? I know sharkscope shows for tournaments but it doesn't for spin and go right? Is there a way to see how much money the top 10 players made at each stake such as 3, 7, 15, 30, 60, 100 etc?


I would assume for someone to expect to make say 50k a year in spins, its probably at least 60 dollar minimum stake right? Curious how much the top 15s players make a year on average?
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Old 02-15-2019, 02:38 AM   #445
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Is there a way to find out how much money the top spin and go players made in a certain year? I know sharkscope shows for tournaments but it doesn't for spin and go right? Is there a way to see how much money the top 10 players made at each stake such as 3, 7, 15, 30, 60, 100 etc?


I would assume for someone to expect to make say 50k a year in spins, its probably at least 60 dollar minimum stake right? Curious how much the top 15s players make a year on average?
Nope, there used to be a site, it was banned by Stars but kept going. Eventually Stars stopped it by adjusting the HHs/disabling spectating.

Honestly, I think it's a shame, I feel all results on every site should be public. Even if they changed usernames to #s, that's fine, but transparency for both holding the poker sites accountable and reasonable expectations for players makes a lot of sense to me.

The only arguments I hear against are player privacy, and even if you accept that whatever username a player chooses needs privacy, you can just change it to a number on the tracking site.

It also draws player interest, bad players and good alike want to play games with potential profit, most players in online poker would not play if they were expressly shown that there is no way to profit (such as roulette), it's been proven where sites released unprofitable games and very few played.
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