wait..this is even more wrong than i first thought lol, it does not even factor in the rake

Hi guys. Sometimes I'm still leveling myself when working out ranges and odds. Please do correct me if I'm wrong.

if we minraise from the BTN 3-handed and BB 3bets ai for say 14BB, this means we need around 42.10% equity vs his range. Correct?

If V ships the following range (QQ-22, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, A5o+, KJo+, QJo) we can profitably call as wide as JTs (for example). Correct? How would you rate this shipping range to assign to random V's? Would probably have to take out a bunch of hands they're flatting at least 50% of the time. My computer is too slow right now to go trough my database for population tendencies on this subject.

(500+chipEV)/500*(1-rake)

For example if you have 50cEV at $1 spins your ROI would be:

(500+50)/500*(1-0.08) = 1.012 or 1.2%

Excellent, thank you very much

shouldn't it be (500+50)/1500?

Required equity = price of calling / (pot size + price of calling)
So here that would be 12 / (14(AI bet BB)+2(our MR)+0,5(SB)+1(BB) + 12) = 40,6%

The rest I can't answer from where I am now.

I got it now thx. You are of course correct you just missed the 1.012 x 100 out of the equation, and as for me thinking it should be /1500 i was using another equation where you do use /1500 but then x 3 so same thing.

Thx again.

wtf is this spam nonsense, not even backlinks

Hello guys, I've recently started playing with sng's and have few questions. This is my sample, I know it's not large for now, but I've been doing pretty good at microstakes. I won almost 100BI's in 650 tournies, which is pretty sweet I guess. I should note that I haven't studied anything yet, but I do have some nash HU excell sheet table for when to P/F.



Now, since I got kind of hooked on it after these 650 tournies, I said to myself to give it a go. So I downloaded free trial for Spin and Go Master Essential HUD, but am kind of lost. First of all, it's information overload. I don't believe I need to know at microstakes 80% of the information this HUD provides. Yes, as I move up and learn I will add all the stats into consideration, but for now I don't really care about most of them. Most of the players are braindead playing at these stakes.

I have following problems:

I feel pretty ******ed for asking such question, maybe it's just morning brain fog, but.. From the HUD P/F chart, how do I evaluate which hand is for push/fold? On the right excell sheet it's pretty clear, but I don't know how to read that nash chart and make my own decision :******face:.



Second question, how do we estimate our range in this hand?

BTN 17.7BB limps
SB 15.2 BB shoves
Hero 16 BB, what is my range to call that shove? (I know this varies on type of opponent, if someone likes to limp 3bet shoves on iso opponents, then we can narrow our range etc.. but by default, how do I estimate this range?)

Are there charts for these 3 handed situations? Can I use HUD Nash P/F to determine my calling/folding range, how? Should I buy some other HUD that already has these charts implemented?

Third question about 3 handed games. Hero is on BB,
What is my calling/3betting/3bet shoving range when BTN opens 2x and SB calls.?
What is my range when BTN opens 2x, SB folds, Hero calling/3betting/3bet shoving range?
What is my range when BTN folds, SB open 2x, Hero calling/3betting/3bet shoving range?
How does my range change when Villian does this with 3x?

What hands do we limp on BTN (Hero) given stack sizes, or maybe limp call if SB or BB raise?
What hands do we call limp from SB, if BTN limps. What is default our range from SB/BB to raise (I know it must be strong, since SB is the worst position) if Villian limps on BTN and SB calls limp?

I feel pretty confident playing HU, so I won't go into it. I've noticed almost everybody folds to dbet on dry flops and some other things that I feel I have under control.. but most of the times there are dubious shoves when I play 3 handed and am completely lost about what to do. And it's always down to this: 'How do I estimate what my calling range is here, is there a chart for this situation?'.

Thanks in advance if anyone answers me. For the most part, I kind of think I know what to do in few questions I've posted already, but that's just from what I saw/came up with by only playing the game, and not studying anything.. so I need theory.

to answer Q1 - P = push chart C = call chart and you use it like a hand chart so if A8o says 18bb then you can shove that hand at 18bb and below

Q2 - i would recommend a program call Hold Em Resource calculator for this

Don't follow Nash unti you get down to 7bb or less. Otherwise it's useless.
All of your other questions can be answered with various softwares. I'd recommend you buy CardrunnersEV. That's probably the best purchase you could make for improving your game.

I like spin & go's. I want to get good enough to be able to beat $15 spin and gos. I understand the basic concepts of poker but I wouldn't say I'm a particularly good player. I don't mind spending some money on the right video pack/book/software since I'm doing this for the challenge, not the money. Given all that:

What's the best way to go about getting good enough to beat the $15 spins? Should I join a stable? Buy this video pack https://www.husng.com/content/introd...oker-coffeeyay ? Do I have to do specific work on HUSNG play to get good enough for this stake level?

And: so far I've been playing on GG Network as I don't use a HUD and they are HUDless. But I assume to improve on my play I need to start tracking my results, right? Should I start playing on stars with a HUD? Or maybe party poker, as I can track my own results there and still play HUDless?

Can i calculate my chipev on HEm2 likes this:
Netwonchips/game=chipev?

"Don't follow Nash unti you get down to 7bb or less. Otherwise it's useless."
Are you trolling ?

What do you mean by this?

Most players don't follow Nash above 7bb, definitely not above 10bb, because they find that limping strategies are worthwhile at those stages, and you can throw nash out the window if you're talking about limps, it only solves for a shove or fold option, limping isn't even in that game.

I've retreated from online poker for some time but I notice the new formats of spin and gos. And some questions if don't mind me asking:

1. How is the variance of Spin & Go versus Hyper Turbo HUSNG? The latter had been large swings for me; not sure if Spin & Gos will be better or worse.

2. Also how big is the Spin & Go community comparing with other forms of poker? it seems that Spin & Gos have been taking away some HUSNG players, and even look like more popular than other forms of SNG.

Thanks for any insights.

Spins should be more negative variance (assuming someone has an equal skill level at each), but not as much as MTTs for instance.

The community is large. Some players left HUSNGs for Spins, but then a whole new group of players play Spins too, so the former HUSNG community pre spins was smaller at any given time than the combined HUSNG and Spin community today.

Hi Spins

I really need help with a few aspects of my play and general approach. I mostly play Spins as I get used to a format and believed it was better to plough that field till I was as good as I can get, and also so long there was still ev

I've had small amounts of coaching as part of a stable and a couple of years ago I was beating the 7s at 90cev kind of comfortably but then I parted ways with the stable, since then I have been awful. Maybe its scared money on my own roll. I am undeniably bad. I like the challenge of spins together with the profit and they're fun. I'll keep playing but I don't want to totally waste my time. Do you think an hourly of app $10-15 is possible at the micros? Just to be able to sustain the time and investment in playing and learning...

Then I'd like to ask about resources such as coaching and cost; skype groups to chat HH

Why don't you join a stable again if it worked so well originally? Improve your game within the stable without having to worry about your own bankroll and as you move up your confidence might allow you to go play on your own and overcome those issues.

An alternative would be investing in mental help, that's not usually cheap, but I'd start with something like Jared Tendler's books, they contain a lot of useful tips and they aren't very expensive. Posting in the psychology forum might help you get some good advice too.

Thanks but now I'm not so sure my results would garner me a spot in a stable. I'm gonna play the 3s...
I'm 6 tabling them though. I had a couple of problems with the stable as well. I'm not so sure I felt terribly positive about the arrangement after forking out literally hundreds of buy-ins and then slightly flaky arrangements with coaching.

When I see charts so blatantly advertised now though what are all the fields like?

With Spins it felt as though it was easy enough to think about progressing up the stakes but not so sure now. The mental aspect has always fascinated me and I subscribed to Primed Mind but I'm slack with that...

Today I played 100 Ts at the 3s at 70 cev 6 tabling. I do need to build a roll.

The first thing you need to do is cut down on your tables until your results are more consistent. 6 tables is a lot to play, too many for anyone that doesn't have consistent results they are happy with.

Otherwise, stop slacking, watch the Primed Mind stuff. It sounds like discipline may be an issue with you? Hard for me to conclude fully based on a few posts, but you might want to build a schedule to play regularly on, you'd be amazed how often problems are solved by just putting in regular, quality volume and just improving by asking questions about situations on forums, reading threads in your off time, etc.

Most publicly advertised charts are crap, it's so easy for anyone to literally make some charts and toss them up for sale or as an add on to another product. It's like those free guides people give out for emails, 95% of the time they are absolute crap and not worth reading (5% of the time a good business person understands giving away good content is a great way to build a reputation and grow a business).

If you were unhappy with your previous stable, it's worth a shot at another one. If you parted with your prior one having fulfilled your contract, that piece of info is a big positive on an application to any stable worth a damn.

Thanks Chic

Where to go... maybe find a study group? Stable? Think I would put in around 10-20 hours a week. I have concerns about the stable situation though. It really felt as though I was not important and a certain basic lack of respect was evident even though I was handing over hundreds of BI

I was thinking of a personal coach even just for a couple of sessions to start with and I really want to look at basic technical fundamentals.

If you have $500-1000 to invest, a personal coach can be a great option too.

You could post in the study group thread and look for other like minded lower stakes players to learn with too, that can be hit or miss, but if you find dedicated players and dedicate yourself, that can be very valuable.

You can always apply to stables and see what they have to offer too, it's not like you need to accept if they accept you.

While I totally get if you weren't being taken care of very well by the stable, it does sound like you only won when you were with the stable, so it's not really like you were paying them money you'd of made otherwise, you could look at it the other way too (you made money you wouldn't have otherwise made), based on what you're saying in these posts. So just keep a two way state of mind, also be clear and reasonable "hey I was supposed to get group coaching Monday, why didn't I?" or "Can I get x?" It's hard to guess what people are thinking and even harder to deal with people being unfair/too unreasonable.

chicagoRy,

Would love your opinion on Ignition having Spins & BOL now?

Profitable and general opinions? Saw Ignition has 7% fixed rake.

Also, where can I get interactive preflop charts?

I personally think Ignition is a good place to find edges for HUSNGs. It drives away a lot of players that refuse to adjust to having no HUD or player names to look at, so I think there is a smaller distribution of players you'll have a smaller edge on (decent players). There are still some really solid players, but a lot of bad ones, you just need to get comfortable with the differences in playing without a HUD/vs anonymous players.

So without knowing a lot of other information (it's 7% rake for Spins? Are the rules the same? How is the prize distribution?), I'd say it has the potential to be a fine place to play.

Charts wise, anything I'd recommend would be behind the pay wall of an active personal coach or a stable (the latter case still has it being built by an active coach).

There are some limited charts in some of our video packs. They're one of the more popular things that customers ask for, but I'd discourage the heavy use of any charts that aren't built by a very knowledgeable player and aren't being reexamined several times a year for changes/improvements.