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Old 10-24-2017, 11:50 AM   #376
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Hi,
Just started playing spins so sorry if this has been asked and answered in this thread already but i cant find it.
What is the rake for these @3, 7, 15, 30 60, 100?
and how do i work out if im profitable at those stakes using hm2?
the way im doing it at the moment i think maybe wrong which is

chips(ev adjusted)/tournaments played + 500/1500

wait..this is even more wrong than i first thought lol, it does not even factor in the rake
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Old 10-24-2017, 01:36 PM   #377
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Re: Spin and Go Beginners Thread

Hi guys. Sometimes I'm still leveling myself when working out ranges and odds. Please do correct me if I'm wrong.

if we minraise from the BTN 3-handed and BB 3bets ai for say 14BB, this means we need around 42.10% equity vs his range. Correct?

If V ships the following range (QQ-22, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, A5o+, KJo+, QJo) we can profitably call as wide as JTs (for example). Correct? How would you rate this shipping range to assign to random V's? Would probably have to take out a bunch of hands they're flatting at least 50% of the time. My computer is too slow right now to go trough my database for population tendencies on this subject.
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Old 10-25-2017, 04:45 AM   #378
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wait..this is even more wrong than i first thought lol, it does not even factor in the rake
(500+chipEV)/500*(1-rake)

For example if you have 50cEV at $1 spins your ROI would be:

(500+50)/500*(1-0.08) = 1.012 or 1.2%
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Old 10-25-2017, 06:05 AM   #379
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(500+chipEV)/500*(1-rake)

For example if you have 50cEV at $1 spins your ROI would be:

(500+50)/500*(1-0.08) = 1.012 or 1.2%

Excellent, thank you very much
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Old 10-25-2017, 06:07 AM   #380
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(500+chipEV)/500*(1-rake)

For example if you have 50cEV at $1 spins your ROI would be:

(500+50)/500*(1-0.08) = 1.012 or 1.2%
shouldn't it be (500+50)/1500?
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Old 10-25-2017, 07:04 AM   #381
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Hi guys. Sometimes I'm still leveling myself when working out ranges and odds. Please do correct me if I'm wrong.

if we minraise from the BTN 3-handed and BB 3bets ai for say 14BB, this means we need around 42.10% equity vs his range. Correct?

If V ships the following range (QQ-22, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, A5o+, KJo+, QJo) we can profitably call as wide as JTs (for example). Correct? How would you rate this shipping range to assign to random V's? Would probably have to take out a bunch of hands they're flatting at least 50% of the time. My computer is too slow right now to go trough my database for population tendencies on this subject.
Required equity = price of calling / (pot size + price of calling)
So here that would be 12 / (14(AI bet BB)+2(our MR)+0,5(SB)+1(BB) + 12) = 40,6%

The rest I can't answer from where I am now.
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Old 10-26-2017, 12:24 AM   #382
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(500+chipEV)/500*(1-rake)

For example if you have 50cEV at $1 spins your ROI would be:

(500+50)/500*(1-0.08) = 1.012 or 1.2%
I got it now thx. You are of course correct you just missed the 1.012 x 100 out of the equation, and as for me thinking it should be /1500 i was using another equation where you do use /1500 but then x 3 so same thing.

Thx again.
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Old 10-30-2017, 02:39 PM   #383
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wtf is this spam nonsense, not even backlinks
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Old 11-13-2017, 04:07 AM   #384
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Hello guys, I've recently started playing with sng's and have few questions. This is my sample, I know it's not large for now, but I've been doing pretty good at microstakes. I won almost 100BI's in 650 tournies, which is pretty sweet I guess. I should note that I haven't studied anything yet, but I do have some nash HU excell sheet table for when to P/F.



Now, since I got kind of hooked on it after these 650 tournies, I said to myself to give it a go. So I downloaded free trial for Spin and Go Master Essential HUD, but am kind of lost. First of all, it's information overload. I don't believe I need to know at microstakes 80% of the information this HUD provides. Yes, as I move up and learn I will add all the stats into consideration, but for now I don't really care about most of them. Most of the players are braindead playing at these stakes.

I have following problems:

I feel pretty retarded for asking such question, maybe it's just morning brain fog, but.. From the HUD P/F chart, how do I evaluate which hand is for push/fold? On the right excell sheet it's pretty clear, but I don't know how to read that nash chart and make my own decision :retardface:.



Second question, how do we estimate our range in this hand?

BTN 17.7BB limps
SB 15.2 BB shoves
Hero 16 BB, what is my range to call that shove? (I know this varies on type of opponent, if someone likes to limp 3bet shoves on iso opponents, then we can narrow our range etc.. but by default, how do I estimate this range?)

Are there charts for these 3 handed situations? Can I use HUD Nash P/F to determine my calling/folding range, how? Should I buy some other HUD that already has these charts implemented?

Third question about 3 handed games. Hero is on BB,
What is my calling/3betting/3bet shoving range when BTN opens 2x and SB calls.?
What is my range when BTN opens 2x, SB folds, Hero calling/3betting/3bet shoving range?
What is my range when BTN folds, SB open 2x, Hero calling/3betting/3bet shoving range?
How does my range change when Villian does this with 3x?

What hands do we limp on BTN (Hero) given stack sizes, or maybe limp call if SB or BB raise?
What hands do we call limp from SB, if BTN limps. What is default our range from SB/BB to raise (I know it must be strong, since SB is the worst position) if Villian limps on BTN and SB calls limp?

I feel pretty confident playing HU, so I won't go into it. I've noticed almost everybody folds to dbet on dry flops and some other things that I feel I have under control.. but most of the times there are dubious shoves when I play 3 handed and am completely lost about what to do. And it's always down to this: 'How do I estimate what my calling range is here, is there a chart for this situation?'.

Thanks in advance if anyone answers me. For the most part, I kind of think I know what to do in few questions I've posted already, but that's just from what I saw/came up with by only playing the game, and not studying anything.. so I need theory.
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Old 11-13-2017, 07:17 AM   #385
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Re: Spin and Go Beginners Thread

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Hello guys, I've recently started playing with sng's and have few questions. This is my sample, I know it's not large for now, but I've been doing pretty good at microstakes. I won almost 100BI's in 650 tournies, which is pretty sweet I guess. I should note that I haven't studied anything yet, but I do have some nash HU excell sheet table for when to P/F.



Now, since I got kind of hooked on it after these 650 tournies, I said to myself to give it a go. So I downloaded free trial for Spin and Go Master Essential HUD, but am kind of lost. First of all, it's information overload. I don't believe I need to know at microstakes 80% of the information this HUD provides. Yes, as I move up and learn I will add all the stats into consideration, but for now I don't really care about most of them. Most of the players are braindead playing at these stakes.

I have following problems:

I feel pretty retarded for asking such question, maybe it's just morning brain fog, but.. From the HUD P/F chart, how do I evaluate which hand is for push/fold? On the right excell sheet it's pretty clear, but I don't know how to read that nash chart and make my own decision :retardface:.



Second question, how do we estimate our range in this hand?

BTN 17.7BB limps
SB 15.2 BB shoves
Hero 16 BB, what is my range to call that shove? (I know this varies on type of opponent, if someone likes to limp 3bet shoves on iso opponents, then we can narrow our range etc.. but by default, how do I estimate this range?)

Are there charts for these 3 handed situations? Can I use HUD Nash P/F to determine my calling/folding range, how? Should I buy some other HUD that already has these charts implemented?

Third question about 3 handed games. Hero is on BB,
What is my calling/3betting/3bet shoving range when BTN opens 2x and SB calls.?
What is my range when BTN opens 2x, SB folds, Hero calling/3betting/3bet shoving range?
What is my range when BTN folds, SB open 2x, Hero calling/3betting/3bet shoving range?
How does my range change when Villian does this with 3x?

What hands do we limp on BTN (Hero) given stack sizes, or maybe limp call if SB or BB raise?
What hands do we call limp from SB, if BTN limps. What is default our range from SB/BB to raise (I know it must be strong, since SB is the worst position) if Villian limps on BTN and SB calls limp?

I feel pretty confident playing HU, so I won't go into it. I've noticed almost everybody folds to dbet on dry flops and some other things that I feel I have under control.. but most of the times there are dubious shoves when I play 3 handed and am completely lost about what to do. And it's always down to this: 'How do I estimate what my calling range is here, is there a chart for this situation?'.

Thanks in advance if anyone answers me. For the most part, I kind of think I know what to do in few questions I've posted already, but that's just from what I saw/came up with by only playing the game, and not studying anything.. so I need theory.
to answer Q1 - P = push chart C = call chart and you use it like a hand chart so if A8o says 18bb then you can shove that hand at 18bb and below

Q2 - i would recommend a program call Hold Em Resource calculator for this
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