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Old 11-02-2016, 11:45 PM   #251
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is there a way to find out how you run in spin and goes on HEM2? With HEM1 back then, i recalled you could see how you run by clicking on the EV but i know that worked only with sngs and cash games.


Someone here mentioned in the thread there is some percentage/number and that if you are higher than this number, then you run either above or below EV? Thus say you play a number of spin and goes at a certain stake. Can you see how much EV you are running?


what programs are available to auto register spin and goes? I use tableoptimizer but it doesnt have that option. I checked sessionlord and on the site, it says there is no fee at all if you use the spin and go registrator only?


Also is there a way to find out the leaderboards for these spin and go for each stake? Like how much money is the top player up at a certain stake like on sharkscope?


Is there a way to find out how much jackpots has been hit so far at each stake?
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Old 11-03-2016, 09:37 AM   #252
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what programs are available to auto register spin and goes? I use tableoptimizer but it doesnt have that option. I checked sessionlord and on the site, it says there is no fee at all if you use the spin and go registrator only?
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Old 11-06-2016, 09:36 AM   #253
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Yep.

55+ Is smooth sailing and makes it difficult to have long losing stretches. A 60s or 100s crusher could probably have 100 if it was worth their time. 45+ Means you're doing a lot right but have a lot of basic stuff to improve.
How would the formular to calculate this would go? I use PT4 and there isnt a stat that will display this but i can create one.
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Old 11-06-2016, 11:48 PM   #254
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How would the formular to calculate this would go? I use PT4 and there isnt a stat that will display this but i can create one.
Net won adjusted (in chips)/number of games. For example 55/game over 1000 games is 55 000
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Old 11-12-2016, 10:30 PM   #255
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trying some spins out, could i get some help with understanding stats?

i used pt4 stats from this thread: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...sults-1601880/

these are my stats so far:

i want to know whether to give up or if i am running bad so far

what does $ev actually measure? if i get all in 3 handed does that count or only HU? does cEV capture 3 handed or just HU etc?

is 70 buyins below ev normal variation in this game type? i get that its a small sample!


would running bad 3 handed affect EV ITM%? lose EV 3 handed = smaller stack going into HU = less chance for 1st type of deal? or does that already account for that

thanks for ur help
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Old 11-13-2016, 10:10 PM   #256
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trying some spins out, could i get some help with understanding stats?

i used pt4 stats from this thread: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...sults-1601880/

these are my stats so far:

i want to know whether to give up or if i am running bad so far

what does $ev actually measure? if i get all in 3 handed does that count or only HU? does cEV capture 3 handed or just HU etc?

is 70 buyins below ev normal variation in this game type? i get that its a small sample!


would running bad 3 handed affect EV ITM%? lose EV 3 handed = smaller stack going into HU = less chance for 1st type of deal? or does that already account for that

thanks for ur help
Ignore $EV, it can be easily skewed by multiplier variance. Just look at cEV. Your cEV doesn't look good but over this sample it's impossible to know.

Yes 70BI is normal variation but if you look just at cEV you probably aren't deviating that much.

It would, yes it accounts for it. All that matters is winning chips. If you were somehow a god at HU and running bad 3H that could cost you but it's probably not the case and not worth thinking about regardless.
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Old 11-14-2016, 06:28 AM   #257
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Hi ... I would really like some advice for play with Ax type hands in spins, especially OOP. I think I am jamming too wide and probably at too deep stacks.

Really I am just looking for some good reference material so I can study up and compare how I have been playing these hands.
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Old 11-14-2016, 06:47 PM   #258
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Hi ... I would really like some advice for play with Ax type hands in spins, especially OOP. I think I am jamming too wide and probably at too deep stacks.

Really I am just looking for some good reference material so I can study up and compare how I have been playing these hands.
Dude, you should avoy high variance and you are going for it I guess. I like to play flops and I only start to jam when I am like 12 bigs. I am just jamming super strong on the SB for example vs BU or trapping the BB. Not bad play if you just complete there vs BU with Ax too instead of jamming or raising cause those weak Ax don´t flop very good anyways and they aren´t folding a lot.
You need to see the packs at HUSNG.com, it could be a game changer for you.
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Old 11-14-2016, 06:48 PM   #259
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Thanks - which pack would you recommend to start?


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Old 11-15-2016, 12:05 PM   #260
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I know it's pricy but thre is a spin pack with 14 hours on husng.com from coffe. Good material there.
If you can't afford it i think you should evaluate the situation. Why not join a team? You will get free coaching, share hands with other students and discuss them. Plenty of offers out there just pick the one that suit you the best, plus you will have less doubts about the spots you mentioned.
Good luck.
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Old 11-15-2016, 02:36 PM   #261
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I know it's pricy but thre is a spin pack with 14 hours on husng.com from coffe. Good material there.

If you can't afford it i think you should evaluate the situation. Why not join a team? You will get free coaching, share hands with other students and discuss them. Plenty of offers out there just pick the one that suit you the best, plus you will have less doubts about the spots you mentioned.

Good luck.


Appreciate the advice. Intrigued by the team idea ... how would I explore that option? Thanks for the advice.


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Old 11-15-2016, 10:24 PM   #262
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is there a way to find out how you run in spin and goes on HEM2? With HEM1 back then, i recalled you could see how you run by clicking on the EV but i know that worked only with sngs and cash games.


Someone here mentioned in the thread there is some percentage/number and that if you are higher than this number, then you run either above or below EV? Thus say you play a number of spin and goes at a certain stake. Can you see how much EV you are running?


what programs are available to auto register spin and goes? I use tableoptimizer but it doesnt have that option. I checked sessionlord and on the site, it says there is no fee at all if you use the spin and go registrator only?


Also is there a way to find out the leaderboards for these spin and go for each stake? Like how much money is the top player up at a certain stake like on sharkscope?


Is there a way to find out how much jackpots has been hit so far at each stake?


Can someone tell me how to find this out? I like to know how im running at these spin and goes. I use HEM2.


Someone also mentioned about a specific number as well. Like if your number is at least this... then you are a winning player?
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Old 11-16-2016, 10:09 AM   #263
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Re: Spin and Go Beginners Thread

@PaulyJames200x

It's quite easy to see if you're a winning player for every % point in rake you need 5 cEV(chipEV). So if the rake is 7% you need to have a cEV of more than 35 in order to be a winning player in the long run.
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Old 11-16-2016, 06:23 PM   #264
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Appreciate the advice. Intrigued by the team idea ... how would I explore that option? Thanks for the advice.


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It´s like stacking mate. For example, you´ll have smart spin recruitment, just apply, be honest with yourself and with the guys and maybe they´ll recruit you has a student. There´s some rules and discipline to follow but has you can see you need to take time to improve your game first. If I was on your shoes and absolutely in love with spins I would do it.

They aren´t the "unique" guys doing this, you just need to keep searching cause it´s a good option cause you will get stacked, they win some and you win some and only if you win, if you lose nobody wins, they take a risk on you, thats why you´ll have coaching and a interviews first and you want to improve right? There´s a lot of spin n go´s groups in facebook too man. just start with smart spin and go from there.

I was on a program like this but it was for MTT/SNG and I improved a lot and got some results, I wasn´t very good and I was always on the breakeven area. I loved that experience.

Good luck.
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Old 11-20-2016, 03:21 PM   #265
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Re: Spin and Go Beginners Thread

what up ppl HELP ME PLZ i dont know what da hell im doin bad but i need to improve im playing 1s spin and i need something else to study in da lab like filters how to find leak i got a hm2 right now im gonna put my graph and stat for 134 spins is a retty low example but im just want to know if im playin really really bad or is jsut variance cuz supposed to be easy to crush 1s but im having problems i only play 2 tables check this graphs is sick or std ?
and plz what i can do to improve i need something to start working on it

pd: my english sucks

http://gyazo.com/5f5cbed2f3fbb6639d1e61880c403a13

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Old 11-22-2016, 01:06 PM   #266
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giving advice on a 3k hand sample wont help you in anything, 3k hands is like 1 session, not even a 3k games sample is enough to fully determing anything about your game by looking at a report, we will need to look into your hand histories/game and isolate the most common situations that come up in game to break those down, spots like...

BU Play
SB Play
BB vs BU
BB vs SB
HU
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Old 12-03-2016, 12:29 PM   #267
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giving advice on a 3k hand sample wont help you in anything, 3k hands is like 1 session, not even a 3k games sample is enough to fully determing anything about your game by looking at a report, we will need to look into your hand histories/game and isolate the most common situations that come up in game to break those down, spots like...

BU Play
SB Play
BB vs BU
BB vs SB
HU
i got it sounds sarcastic but is not help me, more than review hand by hand u hav to really work put a lot of hours i thought i could beat this levels without much effort until i get 15s but variance is da problem sucks a lot but this leves are easy. Where we have to start working are in the 7s 15s up 4 a beginner with some experience im talking. actually im playing 3s nothing change a few goods come out rarely.
hope run good a climb faster n also learn in da process ty for da comment xPISCIVOROUSx gl
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:09 AM   #268
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Re: Spin and Go Beginners Thread

I'm new to spin n gos and haven't really played poker in a few years so I'm rusty around here. Are these more profitable than Hypers were?, also more or less variance than Hypers? I'm a little confused on the "stable" talk. Why are there so many people backed for these and not using their own roll and moving up like the old days?
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Old 12-07-2016, 12:32 PM   #269
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i got it sounds sarcastic
I wasnt been sarcastic

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but is not help me
Sorry?

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more than review hand by hand u hav to really work put a lot of hours
This wont change regardless the format or the profession you choose in order to "beat it" or succeed at it.

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but variance is da problem sucks a lot
variance is NOT the problem variance is what makes these games so profitable and why you´re playing them.
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Where we have to start working are in the 7s 15s up 4 a beginner with some experience im talking.
I would start at the $1 level while i work in defining a "core strategy" from where i will adapt and then move up to $3 or $7s if you´re rolled for it and start printing money.

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hope run good a climb faster
take this mentality away, dont pay attention to good or bad runs just focus on generating the most EV you can on every spot and keep the hours/volume is and results will come.

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ty for da comment xPISCIVOROUSx gl
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Old 12-13-2016, 09:25 AM   #270
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Re: Spin and Go Beginners Thread

Hey, former NL200Z regular here.
I am going to transition from CG to Spins in 2017, but find it pretty tough to find a starting point without any SNG / shortstack background.

Are there still active coaches around that are not coaching exclusively in their stables and that you guys can recommend?

Probably going to start with 15s / 30s and trying to move up to 60s longterm.

Thanks for any help in advance!
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Old 12-14-2016, 09:15 PM   #271
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I'd be happy to help Can't PM you though since you're so low post count...
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Old 12-16-2016, 11:23 AM   #272
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Would like confirmation is these formulas are correct...

Spins EV ROI
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(((amt_expected_won / cnt_tourneys) + 500) / 1500 * ((1 - (amt_fee / (amt_buyin + amt_fee))) * 3) - 1) * 100
Spins $EV
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(((amt_expected_won / cnt_tourneys + 500) / 1500 * (1 - (amt_fee / amt_buyin_fee)) * 3) - 1.0) * amt_buyin_fee * cnt_tourneys
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Old 01-09-2017, 07:32 PM   #273
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Hello,

I want to start grinding Spin's on ACR (WPN) and I was wondering where I should start on study material. I will start with their lowest spin (sometimes $1, sometimes $3) and will grind until it is resonable to move up. I understand some short-stack strategy but I want a "guide" of sorts to beating these $3 consistently.

I also want to know how to filter and find my Spin stats on PT4.
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Old 01-22-2017, 01:36 PM   #274
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Beginner Resources

Returning to poker after a 5 year absence; things have changed!

I always used to play full ring games but I am loving the spin and goes. I have very little experience 3 way and HU.

I decided I want to be a winning player at the $7 buy in level which I think is a realistic ambition.

$.25 seems to be a donkfest and probably worth steering clear of. I am currently playing $1 and $3 S&Gs and in my small sample size doing impossibly well (ROI over 100%, I realise this is not sustainable).

I have a full time job so bankroll management at this level is not necessary.

I presume a good first step is to invest in a HUD/Tracker programme. Reading the forums Pokertracker 4 seems to be the one to go for. Is this the best for S&Gs? I have pokertracker 3 but it does not work in S&Gs or zoom. Is it worth paying extra for a specialist HUD setup?

Then i will need to invest in some books/videos. I've seen a couple of good free videos on youtube from HUSNG are there any worth buying for a beginning player? I don't mind spending a few dollars but lots of them are in $300 range which is a bit rich at this stage of my adventure unless they are amazing.

I don't know things like which hands I should be opening from each position and when to shove/shove back etc which is pretty basic information which I presume is out there for free? Then there is the GTO stuff which is new to me in poker (although I know a little game theory from university) and seems to be very expensive.

Any tips appreciated.
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Old 01-22-2017, 02:04 PM   #275
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Is this the best for S&Gs?
yes

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Is it worth paying extra for a specialist HUD setup?
For micros? No you can watch a couple of guides and vidoes tutorials on how to setup a proper HUD configuration for Spin&Gos and make your own, no need to spend money on it but if money isnt an issue for you and you can get a premium addon one then yeah check out husng.com webstie for more information abotu Spin&Go courses and HUD profiles for pokertracker 4.

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Then i will need to invest in some books/videos.
Get "Beating Spin&Go" from Coffeyay at husng.com, best value content out there for spin&goes.

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Then there is the GTO stuff which is new to me in poker (although I know a little game theory from university) and seems to be very expensive.
Dont mind about GTO till you´re playing $15s and considering to transition to $30s.

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