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Old 09-23-2016, 02:31 PM   #226
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Re: Spin and Go Beginners Thread

Looking into giving spins a go, had a quick skim through the thread and couldnt find anything, im looking right back at the very basics, what sort of hands should i be opening 3 handed? HU? should i just read a HU book and go from there? if somebody could lay out a basic structure of how i should go about learning and what should take priority that would be great
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Old 10-10-2016, 09:57 AM   #227
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Hey I'm a 100nl/200nl grinder that has a lot of expoerence with hu cash and 3 handed cash I can no longer play this anywhere now and don't like 6 max so I'm thinking of learning spins.... What hourlys are people making at 15s/30s/60s/100s and most importantly can anyone advise me on best coaching pack to buy, I know I'm pointing out the obvious but I will need a lot of help on short stack strategy ... Pm me or reply below cheers
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Old 10-10-2016, 11:41 AM   #228
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Re: Spin and Go Beginners Thread

I come across this scenario VERY frequently.
Heads up stack sizes Villian 1000 vs Hero 500
30/60 blinds

Villian shoves 75% of their hands as Sb.

Do I call with pretty much any Ax, Kx, Qx, Suited Connectors?

How should I be betting as Sb against these players?
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Old 10-10-2016, 04:56 PM   #229
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I come across this scenario VERY frequently.
Heads up stack sizes Villian 1000 vs Hero 500
30/60 blinds

Villian shoves 75% of their hands as Sb.

Do I call with pretty much any Ax, Kx, Qx, Suited Connectors?

How should I be betting as Sb against these players?
if im not wrong u should call with this rangue vs 75% shove

https://gyazo.com/09b2a69eaaf15f2b1b3a3bde2c9e74df
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Old 10-10-2016, 09:41 PM   #230
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Hi all I was hoping for advice on which tracking software is best optimised for Spin and Goes? I've been out of poker for a while so haven't kept up with what is available
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Old 10-11-2016, 05:17 AM   #231
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Old 10-11-2016, 08:15 PM   #232
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if im not wrong u should call with this rangue vs 75% shove

https://gyazo.com/09b2a69eaaf15f2b1b3a3bde2c9e74df
Where does that chart come from?
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Old 10-12-2016, 06:29 AM   #233
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Where does that chart come from?
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Old 10-12-2016, 06:12 PM   #234
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Ok I now have Pokertracker 4 but I'm still a little confused on how to get results in chips. I must be missing something conceptually- how does this stat work? I assume it is not the same as ChipEV ... but I can't see how to set that up ... I'm an ex HEM user so PT4 is all a bit new.

Is there a simple explanation of the chips won as distinct from ChipEV?


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Old 10-13-2016, 03:07 PM   #235
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Re: Spin and Go Beginners Thread

It may seem obvious but I'm having a lot of trouble with players who call the majority of the time, VPIP 75%+.

I will raise them 4x with a tight range, K10s+ (is this correct?), always get called called and generally a flop comes with no real position for us to stab except Ax, no backdoor flush draws, no straight draws.

For example:
Hero:
AK

Flop:
J 4 7

How do you approach from here?
If we stab light we will 100% get called.
If we pot size it and he calls do we check turn and fold to almost any bets if we hit air again?
If we pot size or overbet and he shoves do we just fold?

Maybe I'm missing some options here, but this is 100% the hardest leak of my game so far.
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Old 10-13-2016, 04:09 PM   #236
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Re: Spin and Go Beginners Thread

Need more information... what stack depth? Who's IP/OOP (ie are you 3betting 4x, or ISOing 4x, or opening SB 4x?)

But in general, if you expect villain to call 100% of a very wide defend range then bet small is good for value. You should also strongly consider checking flop. Pot and overbet options are likely spew (though, again, the situation is very ambiguous...).
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Old 10-13-2016, 05:38 PM   #237
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Need more information... what stack depth? Who's IP/OOP (ie are you 3betting 4x, or ISOing 4x, or opening SB 4x?)

But in general, if you expect villain to call 100% of a very wide defend range then bet small is good for value. You should also strongly consider checking flop. Pot and overbet options are likely spew (though, again, the situation is very ambiguous...).
In this scenario, 12bb vs 13bb, In position, ISOing4x.

Against this villian if the flop was checked he would always donk bet.

Is this enough information? I apologize in advance as I'm not sure exactly what sorts of information are helpful in these discussions.
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Old 10-13-2016, 08:23 PM   #238
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Re: Spin and Go Beginners Thread

If you're ISOing IP villain can't bet after you check, at least until the turn...

If you assume he's always probing turn (with his super wide limp/flat range) after you check back, then both bet small for value on flop (where you expect him to call his whole, wide, range) and check flop intending to call turn are both really good.

For what its worth, your assumptions seem extremely unrealistic. You must have some strange history with villain with very large samples...
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Old 10-15-2016, 08:27 PM   #239
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Ok I now have Pokertracker 4 but I'm still a little confused on how to get results in chips. I must be missing something conceptually- how does this stat work? I assume it is not the same as ChipEV ... but I can't see how to set that up ... I'm an ex HEM user so PT4 is all a bit new.

Is there a simple explanation of the chips won as distinct from ChipEV?


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No takers? I Asked this in the general beginners thread and didnt get anything useful.

Right now my chips won is 1,610 after 101 spins. Next expected is up around 3,000 so not running ideally.

I still don't understand how chips won is not a factor of either winning 1500 or losing 500, isn't this the only possible result from a Spin? How can I have a result of 1610?
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Old 10-16-2016, 12:52 AM   #240
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ok I figured it out.

For some reason I had a few hands imported that while in a Spin didnt form part of a recorded tournament and it recorded 110 chips. Every other result is either -500 or +1000. Issue solved
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Old 10-25-2016, 11:21 PM   #241
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Re: Spin and Go Beginners Thread

PS increase rake again?

1 en 1.000.000
30 en 1.000.000 x240 1 in 33333
75 en 1.000.000 x100 1 in 13333

was not 1-20K and 1 -10K??????
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Old 10-25-2016, 11:29 PM   #242
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Re: Spin and Go Beginners Thread

Rake is the same. The lower frequency of 240x and 120x is balanced with more 4x and fewer 2x.
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Old 10-25-2016, 11:33 PM   #243
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Can anyone point me to some good guidance playing weak Ax hands at various stack sizes ? I think I am playing them too widely in 15bb situations as I am getting dominated very frequently. I appreciate it is villain tendency influenced ... but I'd still like something to base on.


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Old 10-26-2016, 06:16 PM   #244
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Another question ... how useful in overall all in equity as a stat. I'm at about 52% ... obviously above 50% is positive but I'm not sure how to use this stat .. if at all, and what sort of range is good


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Old 10-27-2016, 10:34 PM   #245
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Hi guys,

Started to play HU SNG turbos. Began in the 10cents, now in the 2€ and 3€.
Having problems with some guys that donk bet all the hands, donīt fold to raises on the flop, etc, etc... So in certain games I find myself short stack because some guy couldnīt fold his fourth pair and me having K highs and A highs, sometimes I bluff, sometimes I just give up cause the guy is not going to fold his fifth pair or something silly.
I know this is dumb but Iīm not very experiencied but I want to improve. I couldnīt find any videos or contend that relates to this kind behavior from these players.

How to react to this kind of situations when they donk 1 BB every single hand and canīt fold to raises on the flop/turn? Sometimes I am in really awkward spots! Should I give up on the flop right away if my hand doesnīt conect? Should I float with some A highs? Some experiencied players outhere can give me some hints or examples?

Other doubts:

A couple of days ago saw a app for heads up developed by a Italian called Andrea Carini: This guy is a profitable heads up player but I donīt understand how a guy that has a very decent profit can have only a calling range like this, and this is not flatting 3 bets is just flat calling 2bets:


For me this is nittier than... I canīt put on words!

But the guy IP raises this range:


I agree with this range but for me makes no sense flatting only that small percentage, the video is on youtube and you can see it. (Itīs in Italian but you'll figured it out by the footage). What are your thoughts about this? Even for begginers itīs like... bad I guess???

Question 1: Heads up games are player dependent, if a guy is raising like 40% of hands (which is nit) should I defend with a wider range or a tighter range? I guess I am doing more or less because I founfd some egde postflop but I really need to avoid some situations...

Question 2: They say if a guy is raising mad like... Lets say 80% of hands we should do opposite and play tight OOP? I find myself playing like almost 100% range OPP vs those guys cause I think they are easier to outplay them... Maybe another mistake! Random newbie questions....

Donīt beat me guys!

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Old 10-27-2016, 10:41 PM   #246
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Re: Spin and Go Beginners Thread

Main thing that stands out is that both those ranges are far too nitty, you want to be playing all your suited hands in both positions for a start.

To beat villains who don't fold enough: Don't bluff

Q1: You should call tighter, but you don't have to call that much tighter than in theory. How tight you should be depends on their limping range/total VPIP also, mr 40% limp 60% is worlds different from mr 40% limp 10%.

Q2: You shouldn't be tighter, you have pot odds to continue with the majority of hands. If they're mring that much you should bluff them preflop a lot and be aware that their range is super wide when playing postflop so they necessarily have a higher amount of air on drawy boards, less 2p+ on QJ9 etc.
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Old 10-28-2016, 11:26 AM   #247
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Main thing that stands out is that both those ranges are far too nitty, you want to be playing all your suited hands in both positions for a start.

To beat villains who don't fold enough: Don't bluff

Q1: You should call tighter, but you don't have to call that much tighter than in theory. How tight you should be depends on their limping range/total VPIP also, mr 40% limp 60% is worlds different from mr 40% limp 10%.

Q2: You shouldn't be tighter, you have pot odds to continue with the majority of hands. If they're mring that much you should bluff them preflop a lot and be aware that their range is super wide when playing postflop so they necessarily have a higher amount of air on drawy boards, less 2p+ on QJ9 etc.
Thats what I was looking for when I posted here, someting that makes sense.
Yeah, if someone limps like 10% and minraises 40 % maybe is a trap kind of guy and more nittier. The 60% limp player limps a lot of hands and try to see cheap flops with more crappy hands...
Gonna put more effort and study hard to adapt to all kind of players.

Thanks mate.
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Old 11-01-2016, 05:19 AM   #248
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Re: Spin and Go Beginners Thread

Heya,

Was just wondering if I've been calculating my evROI correctly for spin and gos. Very very small sample but just want to know if i've got this right.



Is chips ev adjusted (HEM 2) the right stat to be using?

37898/367 = 103 chips per game

((103 + 500)/1500 x (2.76) -1) x 100 = 11% ev roi?

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Old 11-01-2016, 05:31 AM   #249
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Looks correct. glgl
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Old 11-01-2016, 05:39 AM   #250
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Awesome, thanks for the quick reply Max.
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