Spin and Go Beginners Thread
10-13-2016
, 03:07 PM
It may seem obvious but I'm having a lot of trouble with players who call the majority of the time, VPIP 75%+.
I will raise them 4x with a tight range, K10s+ (is this correct?), always get called called and generally a flop comes with no real position for us to stab except Ax, no backdoor flush draws, no straight draws.
For example:
Hero:
A
K
Flop:
J
4
7
How do you approach from here?
If we stab light we will 100% get called.
If we pot size it and he calls do we check turn and fold to almost any bets if we hit air again?
If we pot size or overbet and he shoves do we just fold?
Maybe I'm missing some options here, but this is 100% the hardest leak of my game so far.
I will raise them 4x with a tight range, K10s+ (is this correct?), always get called called and generally a flop comes with no real position for us to stab except Ax, no backdoor flush draws, no straight draws.
For example:
Hero:
A
KFlop:
J
4 7How do you approach from here?
If we stab light we will 100% get called.
If we pot size it and he calls do we check turn and fold to almost any bets if we hit air again?
If we pot size or overbet and he shoves do we just fold?
Maybe I'm missing some options here, but this is 100% the hardest leak of my game so far.
10-13-2016
, 04:09 PM
10-13-2016
, 08:23 PM
10-27-2016
, 10:34 PM
Hi guys,
Started to play HU SNG turbos. Began in the 10cents, now in the 2€ and 3€.
Having problems with some guys that donk bet all the hands, don´t fold to raises on the flop, etc, etc... So in certain games I find myself short stack because some guy couldn´t fold his fourth pair and me having K highs and A highs, sometimes I bluff, sometimes I just give up cause the guy is not going to fold his fifth pair or something silly.
I know this is dumb but I´m not very experiencied but I want to improve. I couldn´t find any videos or contend that relates to this kind behavior from these players.
How to react to this kind of situations when they donk 1 BB every single hand and can´t fold to raises on the flop/turn? Sometimes I am in really awkward spots! Should I give up on the flop right away if my hand doesn´t conect? Should I float with some A highs? Some experiencied players outhere can give me some hints or examples?
Other doubts:
A couple of days ago saw a app for heads up developed by a Italian called Andrea Carini: This guy is a profitable heads up player but I don´t understand how a guy that has a very decent profit can have only a calling range like this, and this is not flatting 3 bets is just flat calling 2bets:
For me this is nittier than... I can´t put on words!
But the guy IP raises this range:
I agree with this range but for me makes no sense flatting only that small percentage, the video is on youtube and you can see it. (It´s in Italian but you'll figured it out by the footage). What are your thoughts about this? Even for begginers it´s like... bad I guess???
Question 1: Heads up games are player dependent, if a guy is raising like 40% of hands (which is nit) should I defend with a wider range or a tighter range? I guess I am doing more or less because I founfd some egde postflop but I really need to avoid some situations...
Question 2: They say if a guy is raising mad like... Lets say 80% of hands we should do opposite and play tight OOP? I find myself playing like almost 100% range OPP vs those guys cause I think they are easier to outplay them... Maybe another mistake! Random newbie questions....
Don´t beat me guys!
Cheers!
Started to play HU SNG turbos. Began in the 10cents, now in the 2€ and 3€.
Having problems with some guys that donk bet all the hands, don´t fold to raises on the flop, etc, etc... So in certain games I find myself short stack because some guy couldn´t fold his fourth pair and me having K highs and A highs, sometimes I bluff, sometimes I just give up cause the guy is not going to fold his fifth pair or something silly.
I know this is dumb but I´m not very experiencied but I want to improve. I couldn´t find any videos or contend that relates to this kind behavior from these players.
How to react to this kind of situations when they donk 1 BB every single hand and can´t fold to raises on the flop/turn? Sometimes I am in really awkward spots! Should I give up on the flop right away if my hand doesn´t conect? Should I float with some A highs? Some experiencied players outhere can give me some hints or examples?
Other doubts:
A couple of days ago saw a app for heads up developed by a Italian called Andrea Carini: This guy is a profitable heads up player but I don´t understand how a guy that has a very decent profit can have only a calling range like this, and this is not flatting 3 bets is just flat calling 2bets:
For me this is nittier than... I can´t put on words!
But the guy IP raises this range:
I agree with this range but for me makes no sense flatting only that small percentage, the video is on youtube and you can see it. (It´s in Italian but you'll figured it out by the footage). What are your thoughts about this? Even for begginers it´s like... bad I guess???
Question 1: Heads up games are player dependent, if a guy is raising like 40% of hands (which is nit) should I defend with a wider range or a tighter range? I guess I am doing more or less because I founfd some egde postflop but I really need to avoid some situations...
Question 2: They say if a guy is raising mad like... Lets say 80% of hands we should do opposite and play tight OOP? I find myself playing like almost 100% range OPP vs those guys cause I think they are easier to outplay them... Maybe another mistake! Random newbie questions....
Don´t beat me guys!
Cheers!
10-27-2016
, 10:41 PM
Main thing that stands out is that both those ranges are far too nitty, you want to be playing all your suited hands in both positions for a start.
To beat villains who don't fold enough: Don't bluff
Q1: You should call tighter, but you don't have to call that much tighter than in theory. How tight you should be depends on their limping range/total VPIP also, mr 40% limp 60% is worlds different from mr 40% limp 10%.
Q2: You shouldn't be tighter, you have pot odds to continue with the majority of hands. If they're mring that much you should bluff them preflop a lot and be aware that their range is super wide when playing postflop so they necessarily have a higher amount of air on drawy boards, less 2p+ on QJ9 etc.
To beat villains who don't fold enough: Don't bluff
Q1: You should call tighter, but you don't have to call that much tighter than in theory. How tight you should be depends on their limping range/total VPIP also, mr 40% limp 60% is worlds different from mr 40% limp 10%.
Q2: You shouldn't be tighter, you have pot odds to continue with the majority of hands. If they're mring that much you should bluff them preflop a lot and be aware that their range is super wide when playing postflop so they necessarily have a higher amount of air on drawy boards, less 2p+ on QJ9 etc.
10-28-2016
, 11:26 AM
Quote:
Main thing that stands out is that both those ranges are far too nitty, you want to be playing all your suited hands in both positions for a start.
To beat villains who don't fold enough: Don't bluff
Q1: You should call tighter, but you don't have to call that much tighter than in theory. How tight you should be depends on their limping range/total VPIP also, mr 40% limp 60% is worlds different from mr 40% limp 10%.
Q2: You shouldn't be tighter, you have pot odds to continue with the majority of hands. If they're mring that much you should bluff them preflop a lot and be aware that their range is super wide when playing postflop so they necessarily have a higher amount of air on drawy boards, less 2p+ on QJ9 etc.
To beat villains who don't fold enough: Don't bluff
Q1: You should call tighter, but you don't have to call that much tighter than in theory. How tight you should be depends on their limping range/total VPIP also, mr 40% limp 60% is worlds different from mr 40% limp 10%.
Q2: You shouldn't be tighter, you have pot odds to continue with the majority of hands. If they're mring that much you should bluff them preflop a lot and be aware that their range is super wide when playing postflop so they necessarily have a higher amount of air on drawy boards, less 2p+ on QJ9 etc.
Yeah, if someone limps like 10% and minraises 40 % maybe is a trap kind of guy and more nittier. The 60% limp player limps a lot of hands and try to see cheap flops with more crappy hands...
Gonna put more effort and study hard to adapt to all kind of players.
Thanks mate.
11-01-2016
, 05:19 AM
Heya,
Was just wondering if I've been calculating my evROI correctly for spin and gos. Very very small sample but just want to know if i've got this right.
Is chips ev adjusted (HEM 2) the right stat to be using?
37898/367 = 103 chips per game
((103 + 500)/1500 x (2.76) -1) x 100 = 11% ev roi?
Cheers
Was just wondering if I've been calculating my evROI correctly for spin and gos. Very very small sample but just want to know if i've got this right.
Is chips ev adjusted (HEM 2) the right stat to be using?
37898/367 = 103 chips per game
((103 + 500)/1500 x (2.76) -1) x 100 = 11% ev roi?
Cheers
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