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Old 09-20-2010, 10:04 AM   #1
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SNG 33$ tp + fd

vilain is a random (1st hand)

Full Tilt Poker $33 + $1.50 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 936787
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denisrampaso (BB): t1500 50 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t1500 50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with Q J
Hero raises to t90, denisrampaso calls t60

Flop: (t180) 2 5 8 (2 players)
denisrampaso checks, Hero bets t90, denisrampaso calls t90

Turn: (t360) Q (2 players)
denisrampaso checks
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Old 09-20-2010, 10:16 AM   #2
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Re: SNG 33$ tp + fd

And what is your question here? You should obviously bet here.
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Old 09-20-2010, 10:23 AM   #3
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Re: SNG 33$ tp + fd

if u bet u can get value from stuff like 8x or 5Axd and other randoms etc. or let him bluff river/take bigger value from 8x / 5x etc since u prob wont get 3 streets of value
this is a standard spot, i felt interesting in seeing opinions
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Old 09-21-2010, 04:38 AM   #4
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Re: SNG 33$ tp + fd

I`d bet because you hit your Gin card and if you continue betting it should look a little suspicious to your villain and he might still call you with lots of worse holdings, to where we can add some high diamond cards now maybe. Valuebetting is the key with good hands
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Old 09-21-2010, 05:03 AM   #5
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Re: SNG 33$ tp + fd

* Raise smaller preflop, continuting to 3x it is a leak imo, I would make it 70 pre.
* I would Cbet 80 on the flop (given a pot of 140)
* I would bet 220 on the turn (given a pot of 300)

"As played", I'd make it 250 on your turn. Don't let him hit some straight / flush / 2 pair / overpair on the river. If he bets or c/r on the river, you have no reads because it's the 1st hand of the game.
So just bet out, let him pay you off, or leave him wondering about your hand.
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Old 09-21-2010, 05:13 AM   #6
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Re: SNG 33$ tp + fd

I'd definately bet here, for half or 2/3 pot. Any other play would be in my opinion too fancy in this spot.
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Old 09-21-2010, 05:16 AM   #7
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Re: SNG 33$ tp + fd

I bet 200. Can't really see any argument not to bet on this board vs a random?
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Old 09-21-2010, 05:32 AM   #8
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Re: SNG 33$ tp + fd

I 100% bet it as value.
Only question with that card is whether you bet it when you bluff and that's villain-dependent.


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* Raise smaller preflop, continuting to 3x it is a leak imo, I would make it 70 pre.
* I would Cbet 80 on the flop (given a pot of 140)
* I would bet 220 on the turn (given a pot of 300)

"As played", I'd make it 250 on your turn. Don't let him hit some straight / flush / 2 pair / overpair on the river. If he bets or c/r on the river, you have no reads because it's the 1st hand of the game.
So just bet out, let him pay you off, or leave him wondering about your hand.
Are you in a wrong thread? This is the first hand. Saying 3x as a default is a leak is ridiculous.
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Old 09-21-2010, 05:36 AM   #9
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Are you in a wrong thread? This is the first hand. Saying 3x as a default is a leak is ridiculous.
Overlooked the fact that it's the 1st hand. Playing only regular speed games myself, so blinds of 15/30 appear only after 10 minutes of play

(Although even in the first level I raise to 50 and not to 60 if blinds are 10/20, but I guess we sould open a new thread if we want to discuss about that)
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Old 09-21-2010, 08:42 AM   #10
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Re: SNG 33$ tp + fd

just bet it !
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Old 09-21-2010, 11:02 PM   #11
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Re: SNG 33$ tp + fd

Deepak, let's just say you had AKdd, would you check behind the turn?
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Old 09-22-2010, 02:17 AM   #12
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Re: SNG 33$ tp + fd

I'm guessing you got raised on the T.

Checking back would be pretty nitty.
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Old 09-22-2010, 03:10 AM   #13
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Re: SNG 33$ tp + fd

If we bet the turn (say 200ish) are we comfortable getting it in vs a check raise?
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Old 09-22-2010, 05:51 AM   #14
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Re: SNG 33$ tp + fd

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If we bet the turn (say 200ish) are we comfortable getting it in vs a check raise?
Not comfortable but id probably still get it in vs random(meaning some1 who is not a winner @SS), because no fish believes in turnstabs.
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Old 09-22-2010, 06:29 AM   #15
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If we bet the turn (say 200ish) are we comfortable getting it in vs a check raise?
I'm a nit nowadays against turn c/r-s, so this would be a fold for me.
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Old 09-22-2010, 01:14 PM   #16
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Re: SNG 33$ tp + fd

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Overlooked the fact that it's the 1st hand. Playing only regular speed games myself, so blinds of 15/30 appear only after 10 minutes of play

(Although even in the first level I raise to 50 and not to 60 if blinds are 10/20, but I guess we sould open a new thread if we want to discuss about that)
I was also wondering about the 3x leak??? betting 50 vs 60, can you elaborate on this.
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Old 09-22-2010, 03:19 PM   #17
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Re: SNG 33$ tp + fd

does someone have some sort of reason to not bet/fold here against an unknown? I'm pretty sure that's what I'd do 100% of the time. Even with reads, I think I'd almost always bet here, the only thing that might change with history is that I might be willing to call a shove.

Against a rando I'm betting river too. Too thin?
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Old 09-22-2010, 05:12 PM   #18
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Against a rando I'm betting river too. Too thin?
Any river is too thin.
Most rivers are standard.
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