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Old 01-30-2019, 03:02 PM   #1
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Seating Scripts Banned March 1st 2019 on Stars?

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/...t=pn-hp-hero-1

It does say cash a few times in the article and the details look cash oriented, but nothing stated seems to say it'll only apply to cash games. I'll try to get some verification soon, maybe people want to email Stars though and have the question escalated to someone in Software to give a good answer for March 1st.

I'd imagine anyone with approved seating scripts for SNGs would've received a Stars email already though if this does cover SNGs.

A better question might be if this will prevent current SNG scripts from working effectively. A few outtakes:

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“One such change is we will be prohibiting any tool or service for table selection efficiency that filters or sorts available games, or automates/semi-automates the process of joining available games based on opponent gameplay statistics or notes. For example, the use of seating scripts that join players to a set number of tables that have an average statistic for opponents above/below a certain figure, or work off pre-assigned player notes, are prohibited.”
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The three main points that will prohibit seating script software are:

Software that automatically seats the user at a table when a specific player sits at the table
Software that notifies the user when a specific player sits at the table
Any tool that scans the PokerStars lobby and automatically opens tables based on the players currently seated at them
The wording on those does seem to target cash games. Ultimately, whatever Stars wants to do wrt SNG scripts will be up to them, even if the technical details above don't cover them perfectly, if they want something banned they will quickly adjust, based on historical precedence.

Hopefully we can get some clarification here though.
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Old 01-31-2019, 12:53 PM   #2
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Re: Seating Scripts Banned March 1st 2019 on Stars?

At least 50% chance you ask them about sharky and they figure "sure, we somehow missed that, of course we'll ban it".
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Old 01-31-2019, 03:37 PM   #3
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Re: Seating Scripts Banned March 1st 2019 on Stars?

Haha. Unless they've recently hired some of the "retired" officials from our current American administration, there is zero chance of that.
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Old 03-02-2019, 12:18 PM   #4
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Re: Seating Scripts Banned March 1st 2019 on Stars?

what's the deal now then? Is the cartels/divisions era over?
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Old 03-02-2019, 03:09 PM   #5
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Re: Seating Scripts Banned March 1st 2019 on Stars?

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what's the deal now then? Is the cartels/divisions era over?
No. And even if sharky is fully banned in the future, the answer will still probably be no.
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Old 03-02-2019, 05:17 PM   #6
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Regarding sharky it's allowed to sit open lobby "make a waitlist" however the color coding has to be deleted from software.
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Old 03-03-2019, 11:45 AM   #7
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Re: Seating Scripts Banned March 1st 2019 on Stars?

i understand it that you can still make a waitlist for sitting first but have to manually sit second. is that correct?
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Old 03-03-2019, 02:21 PM   #8
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Re: Seating Scripts Banned March 1st 2019 on Stars?

Given past criticisms when mistakes were made, it's only fair to give props to Marko for providing what looks like a very reasonable refund policy on these short notice changes.
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Old 03-04-2019, 04:24 AM   #9
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i understand it that you can still make a waitlist for sitting first but have to manually sit second. is that correct?
This is sharky's attempt to stay in line with the new PS policy, yes. Is it acceptable under new PS rules? Hopefully.
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Old 03-04-2019, 01:01 PM   #10
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Re: Seating Scripts Banned March 1st 2019 on Stars?

support@starsaccount.com
Mon 3/4/2019 5:57 PM
Hello,

We have recently noticed that you have used a prohibited table selection tool or service called SharkyStrator in conjunction with our software. Certain features of this tool cause it to be in violation of our Terms of Service:

https://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/tos/


****ing great...
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Old 03-04-2019, 02:58 PM   #11
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Re: Seating Scripts Banned March 1st 2019 on Stars?

Yes, to the best of my knowledge right now PS has been notified about sharky + the changes and are determining whether or not the program will remain legal under the new rules. Until PS gives some sort of official reply, you're probably better off not trying to use it.
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Old 03-04-2019, 03:00 PM   #12
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Re: Seating Scripts Banned March 1st 2019 on Stars?

The following are examples of tools and services that are prohibited at all times:

Sharkystrator

This is what i see when i open pokerstars' site, does it mean that even after it's modifications and removal of features it is banned? Seems the new rules, including scripts, charts etc start applying from today, 04.03.2019. But when i checked the husngs seems like just business as usual for the cartels
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Old 03-04-2019, 03:15 PM   #13
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Re: Seating Scripts Banned March 1st 2019 on Stars?

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The following are examples of tools and services that are prohibited at all times:

Sharkystrator

This is what i see when i open pokerstars' site, does it mean that even after it's modifications and removal of features it is banned?
I don't think they were made aware of the new updates, but for now it certainly seems like you should avoid using Sharkystrator. If that changes I'm sure someone (or myself, if nobody else does) will post about it here.

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Seems the new rules, including scripts, charts etc start applying from today, 04.03.2019. But when i checked the husngs seems like just business as usual for the cartels
This is correct. Longer-term it's a bit unclear what will happen, but I don't think the status quo will change too much especially for 60s+

Regs can and will maintain lobby control of mid/high stakes basically all the time even without sharky. Recs will not get many opportunities to play other recs for decent stakes even if sharky is totally banned for good. This is something that I've tried to explain to people for a long time, but the cartel systems "feel" unfair (despite actually being very fair) so most people haven't really understood that point, I think.
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Old 03-04-2019, 07:54 PM   #14
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Re: Seating Scripts Banned March 1st 2019 on Stars?

It looks like Pokerstars started to block Sharkystrator. A quote from email from Pokerstars:

"We have recently noticed that you have used a prohibited table selection tool or service called SharkyStrator in conjunction with our software."
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Old 03-08-2019, 05:40 AM   #15
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Re: Seating Scripts Banned March 1st 2019 on Stars?

Any news?
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Old 03-08-2019, 06:43 AM   #16
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Re: Seating Scripts Banned March 1st 2019 on Stars?

Still waiting, stars is considering the new sharky version.
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Old 03-10-2019, 09:55 PM   #17
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Re: Seating Scripts Banned March 1st 2019 on Stars?

Is there any application/method to hide prohibited tools from being detected by Pokerstars?
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Old 03-11-2019, 01:44 AM   #18
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Is there any application/method to hide prohibited tools from being detected by Pokerstars?
Don't open them while the stars client is open.
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Old 03-12-2019, 05:29 AM   #19
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Re: Seating Scripts Banned March 1st 2019 on Stars?

Good news, sharky approved
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Old 03-12-2019, 06:57 AM   #20
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Good news, sharky approved
Confirmed, version 2.0.69 is good to go. Great news.
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Old 03-12-2019, 12:53 PM   #21
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Re: Seating Scripts Banned March 1st 2019 on Stars?

what did sharky change that allowed it to be approved?
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Old 03-12-2019, 02:47 PM   #22
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what did sharky change that allowed it to be approved?
You can't autosit anyone based on tags/note colors anymore. Now the program only has 2 options -- sit open lobby and sit everyone. But the big thing that sharky does for husngs is have the waitlist for open lobbies, and this feature has been allowed to stay.
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Old 03-14-2019, 04:20 AM   #23
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Re: Seating Scripts Banned March 1st 2019 on Stars?

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Confirmed, version 2.0.69 is good to go. Great news.
sharkystrator still listed under "prohibted programs" on pokerstars website though
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Old 03-14-2019, 06:44 AM   #24
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sharkystrator still listed under "prohibted programs" on pokerstars website though
It's been officially whitelisted by PS and doesn't trigger a warning in-client anymore. Perhaps the page just isn't updated?
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Old 04-20-2019, 04:59 AM   #25
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Re: Seating Scripts Banned March 1st 2019 on Stars?

What's going on with Sharky and viruses? It was automatically uninstalled from my computer, and after downloading it again, Avast didn't let me install it because of Malware. So I decided to check it with other antiviruses and here is the outcome:



I've contacted Sharky 2 days ago, and still no response?!
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