I've never seen a more obvious ring of bots in my life.
The amount of SNGs being played simultaneously and auto regging is clearly obvious.
The way they all play the same is obvious.
What's funny is these bots all play the same time of day taking turns 24/7 and I find it ironic they play 4 or 5 at the same time and all are profitable but they don't ever play eachother.
Something needs to be done by this crooked company who I am almost sure just looks the other way for constant rake.

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https://www.pocketfives.com/forums/t...u-bots-on-wpn/

Looking at your P5s link, only one of the five players has over 5k games. The guy with 25k games, saying "he doesn't move up, it's obvious" isn't a damning argument. I've seen guys print relatively consistent great money at buyins over the years and never move up, it's not unheard of. 4-5 tables of husngs also isn't unheard of.

I'd look for:

- Are these accounts playing more hrs than you'd anticipate a real human to be playing?

- Do these accounts never engage in the chat?

- Do these accounts take the same amount of time to act everywhere (doesn't mean they are human if they do not, just an obvious indicator of a low level bot)?

Start with those types of questions and report your findings. Even basic poker security should have much better questions to ask and the data to answer them on their end, but all you can do as a player is report your suspicions and alert them and us to it.

- they all play the exact same way and basically have "shifts" to avoid this
- not a single one has ever engaged in chat
- they take the same amount of time and do the same weird things
ex. calling 2x river shove with 23 on KQ459 board
ex. calling 4bet shoves pre with Q9
The instant regging while in 5 matches after another match starts is really odd
- why if these "players?" have the most volume why do they literally never play eachother?

Additional to this thread just inform the wpn-support (with detailed reasoning). In past I have done this too and after that I never saw those acounts again. I know its still not perfect, because sometimes just new bot-accounts appears, but every bot who is killed costs the owner some money, time and energy and is so at least a little success^^.

I did this yesterday. Thank you for advice. It's really quite apparent when I see the exact same donk lead strategy from every single Russian player at the lowest stakes. Also, when using sharkscope I have yet to see a SINGLE account from Russia that isn't profitable. I find this very odd to say the least.

yea russia and many other countries should be region locked.

why are you trying to remove these types of players from the games?

If I'm reading this correctly, you've basically described a dream situation:

- Players that call with the board vs a 2x river bet.

- Players that call 4bets pre with really light stuff that is often dominated.

- They don't play each other.

- They don't chat.

- They play 5 tables at once.

- They play 24/7.

sound like russian player 2 me)))

Its no dream situation! The bots are all winners, they play 5 tables, catch your fishs away and block the lobby. Even if u find out some rare specific leaks its not enough for a big winrate and additional this bugs can be fixed and overall the bots still do less errors then humans.

He is 100% correct. The problem is they block the lobby and are much more effective than the average bottom stakes players. They soak up all the rec players and even if you sit a table they will play you almost immediately. It's absolutely ridiculous the security team can't discern what this is and why it's bad for the ecosystem. They can find 50 bots approx. and give refunds for MTT bots which imo is much harder to spot than heads up bots. So, why can't they do their job and do something about this?

I gave up WPN years ago because of the bot/cheating issue.

I have nothing really to add, other than the fact that it took a poker related YouTube celebrity to get WPN to acknowledge it's issues and that's a problem in itself.

When I had reached out to their support on live chat years ago about this issue, let's just say they were less than professional in responding to me.

the hand examples you gave sound a lot more like a human (spazzing or misclicking) than a robot

if they are playing as described i wouldnt care about them "blocking" the lobbies because if be too busy sitting them on every table possible

I think u have maybe a wrong impression about bots. Hu-Game is solved! Every good bot has a big edge against every human (even if bots have 1-2 little bugs, its nearly impossible to generate a big winrate against...and additional this bugs could be fixed and maybe it could be, that its no bug and a just a bad try to appear more like a human player...). And I know no single experienced hu-player who is happy to play with bots. Bots are just a ****ing disease who kill the games, steal our time, the lobby and money from our customers.

Additional look at this chart. This one is from a proven (and banned) bot (who has a positive roi on every played limit...).



This chart is from one of our valued human customers:


Against which one u would prefer playing hu?

Exactly this. The hand example I provided where bot called was an editing mistake
Bot had 23 on a x245x river and called an overshove with bottom pair bottom kicker not the nut low
It's cheating plain and simple. If you played 2 or 3 matches against the 7 or 8 bots you would know they all play exactly the same way with the same timing. Blocking the lobby from the fish is a bigger deal then some in this thread seem to understand.

Hey guys, I can't see HUSNG on WPN anymore, did they remove them?

at least when you play the lotto you have a chance of winning mutiple million dollars. playing a husng you only get a chance to play against a bot. gg husng

Yeah its a well known fact that mid and high stakes hu sng's are completely bot infested on all sites but PS. I couldn't even play 100$s on these networks if I wanted to. You need a bot and then you need to battle other bots for a while to get in. Its a cartel of bots.

They are often programmed with small ridic errors on purpose to seem more human.

guys I've created another thread about bots in husng on chico, feel free to comment and leave feedback, share with others, and email the chico network's poker room support to make them look into it, https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...husng-1747711/
TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE but only with collective action

#1It's a little more complicated than that. There are autonomous bots that are programmed to play in a way, they are not playing by GTO and are beatable, but because of the rake and low roi noone wants to play them so they win in the end.
#2There are bots that play by gto, autonomous, you can steal beat then if you find a bug in them, let's say they see 3x isolate and 8x isolate as the same and they don't change their reaction, or they didn't calculated the play against 1bb cbet so they aren't playing the way they should. Those are much stronger bots, but still beatable.
#3And the last, the most dangerous are operators with gto helping software. They have the same as bots #2, but there is also a human behind (mostly a newbie) but sometimes a very experienced player, who can adjust if needed and not let the bot to be exploited with small bags, Also, it's them who play against recreation and no the bot, the bot is used to play against regs, since against recreation those strong players generate higher ROI.