Poker Stars $6.85+$0.15 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
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BB: t460 23 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t540 27 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with 6 A
Hero raises to t40, BB calls t20

Flop: (t80) T 4 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t40, BB raises to t420 all in

This is the second hand of match. First hand he opened his buton, I shoved he folded.

He could obv have draws but I gues I can't call without further reads ?


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Poker Stars $6.85+$0.15 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
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BB: t430 21.50 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t570 28.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with T J
Hero raises to t40, BB raises to t100, Hero calls t60

Flop: (t200) 7 Q 8 (2 players)
BB bets t90, Hero raises to t460, BB calls t240 all in

Turn: (t860) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t860) J (2 players - 1 is all in)


Same match, same opponent. I can say he played pretty straight forward, nothing really special happened.

I think once he 3bet pre, he is going to cbet %100 of his pre flop range on that flop. Q definitely hits his range but also he can't really call my shove without a Queen in his hand imo. That's the reason I shove + if he calls with 7x or 8x I have 2 overs + gutshot.

What's our best move here ?

I'm not calling that 3bet with J10o, I would call with J10s tho.

Do you mind explaining why ? Do you think flatting with JTo has negative expectation when JTs has positive ?

That depends really on the player A7 ,A8 AQ QK , AA, QQ, KK , JJ, 99 , 1010 99 77
I mean so many hands that beat u and that he might call yr shove
without reads i would fold pre
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After the bet he makes and yr shove do u know what odds hes getting ?

First hand: I wouldnt call that shove readless - if he does this stuff with hands like 4x/6x/OESD.... (hands you actually beat) you wont have too much of a hard time in the coming hands taking him down. But we dont know that yet so lets be a bit more patient and get some more reads imo. Because these spots are really highly read / opponent dependent and people do this with their entire spectrum of their range - so your job is to figure out where he belongs.

Hand 2:
I think thats a bit of a misassumption. But the much bigger concern for me would be - you guys are so short, you can shove all day and he (almost) gets the right odds to call it off with any 2 OCs/draws that he might show up here with. He needs 26% equity - and from your action he figures you dont have the Qx, so most of his range consists of 2 OCs to your hand (not even mentiong you dont have much) so you are toast a lot of the time. What also would concern me - whats with the 90chip cbet - is this normal for him? If he would have a different size in general you should ask yourself what it means in this context.
Preflop is opponent dependend imo. If you know he doesnt have a wide 3betting range his range will always consists of stuff like KJ+/AJ+/TT++ - lots of stuff that dominates your JTo so you might have a problem there too.

I can't see how he is not cbetting %100 on that flop. I'd appreciate if someone explain why and when someone should not cbet there.

That was the first 3bet pot I played vs him so I don't know if t90 is his std cbet size there. And I'm not sure what you mean by 2 over cards to my JT. Since there is a Q on flop, that means he can only have AK as a 2 overs ? If you mean the hands that dominates JT like KJ AJ, I really doubt if average population calls with them in that spot.

I also fail to see what kind of draw he can possible have to call my shove ?

Thanks for answers..

Board texture is good to cbet, but there is more to it, namely how YOU play. if you are a station or a bluffer why would i bother risking my chips if i have a hand that i would not go all in with.

You never play 77/88/Qx in this fashion as you did, so that gives him a good indication where he actually stands with his hand vs. your range. So i´d assume we would put on you on something like 7x/8x or T9/JT - a hand that wants to take it down right away and not bother with dealing with other cards as you hand is not so strong. So the fact that the Q is on the board shouldnt really influence his decision at all - so yeah, he has two OCs alot and can use these odds in his decision makeing process.

Granted he cant have many draws in this spot - but he might count his backdoors (of which he might have two) to his outs and that gives him easily enough equity compared to the money he needs to call your shove to make it an okay call - e.g. with hands like ATs/AJs/AKs...

I call first, also dont fold JTo pre vs that 3bet and post idk seems close

1. call
2. c/shove

1. I would call, because his shoving range is much wider than just Tx, probably any 6 and 4 for protection. Lot of players also put it in with two overcards, flush draw or straight draw. A6 is probably good here most of the times.

2. This is more difficult. Against really loose player I would call the 3bet and fold after flop cbet.

i think i need reads to not call the 3bet and not the other way around.

1st hand is really marginal. I'd probably call but it's not a big mistake either way I wouldn't worry too much about it.

2nd hand definitely call pre... As for postflop it's really close again. It's probably between shoving and folding but his t90 chips worries me a little (looks like a bet perfectly set up for value/induce a jam). flip a coin