Quote:
Originally Posted by LexerZz
A few thoughts on reread:
- The first portion talks about facing people that never call a 3bet. I'm not sure I've ever faced such a villain, certainly not often. What he says makes sense in the context he talks about (why 3bet 98s if nobody ever calls your 3bets and only 4bets all in to which you would fold? You'd rather 3bet 92o instead) but it takes 4 paragraphs of that to say it + how many opponents only 4bet or fold vs a 3bet?
- I disagree with part of the AJs thing, AJs dominates a lot of hands that call a 3bet and performs a lot better (even with the whole "if we flop Ax we're face up in a lot of villain's eyes/way of thinking" thing) compared to Q2s. Though I think his "4b or fold" stuff is correct, when we get more relevant with the 3bet call, it's less consistent to me.
- The "A quick note" part in the middle was easily the best paragraph up to that point and something I remember learning from Skates back in the day that really was one of those "aha, that should be so obvious and now it is, thank you!" moments. Good paragraph.
- Depolarizing makes sense, though I like to phrase it to students as "Wide value range" when they flat wide, because it's not KJ that they are flatting, it's A2 (as ronin says), or Q7s, or K4s. His paragraph is a little too nitty to paint a realistic picture I think, it looks more cash than husng perhaps. You consistently see people calling your 3bets very wide to where you need to be 3betting KT or K9 for value to dominate a lot of weaker stuff that calls (especially weaker broadway rag suited hands that are often overplayed by fish). His points are correct, I just think the execution of the examples is a bit on the lower side here.
- I think the 3bet VPIP comparison between value 3bet and polar 3bet is a bit misleading. If a guy is opening wide and calling 3bets wide, you'd 3bet for value wide but you also are probably calling some hands that play well postflop/can flop well. There's going to be more variables that impact your calling range, but the point is you shouldn't really be calling too many more hands vs the tighter nittier guy than the looser opponent (again almost too general here, both in my statement and the article).
- 90 to 50% seems a bit extreme vs a wide 3bettor (for playing % hands on button).
- I think the folding statement is wrong (that folding is better than limping) but his overall statement of "look to raise, there's ways to exploit a lot of people" is good.
Conclusion:
Long winded and some of it not terribly relevant to husng players, but overall a solid article. My words may sound harsh, but
bottom line this is better than a lot of the stuff already in the sticky, so it would be a solid addition.
Jedi's post is pretty funny "Great post but I dont like info accessible here TBH. I mean most regs at my level get a majority of this but it still is something I prefer people find out for themselves."