Full Tilt Poker $10 + $0.50 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players
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BB: t2028 67.60 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t3972 132.40 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with T J
Hero raises to t129, BB calls t99

Flop: (t258) 9 J 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t222, BB raises to t1899 all in, Hero calls t1677

Turn: (t4056) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t4056) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)


I pushed this guy around the whole match with lots of aggression and he started shoving often pre-flop apparently he had enough of me. Which lead to this epic hand.

I have lots of questions about the hand but before getting specific I will just toss it out and see what you guys think.

1677 + 258 + 444 / 1677 = 2379 / 1677 = 1.4186 to 1 = 41.346% equity needed.

Board: Jh 9s 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.903% 30.27% 10.63% 22177 7788.50 { JdTd }
Hand 1: 59.097% 48.47% 10.63% 35506 7788.50 { JJ, 99-88, QTs, J9s-J8s, T7s+, 98s, QTo, J8o+, T7o+, 98o }


Fold.


or


Board: Jh 9s 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.987% 36.05% 09.93% 44258 12195.50 { JdTd }
Hand 1: 54.013% 44.08% 09.93% 54111 12195.50 { JJ-88, AJs, KJs-KTs, QTs+, J8s+, T7s+, 98s, AJo-ATo, KJo-KTo, QTo+, J8o+, T7o+, 98o }

Call.


Either is fine.

Title your posts better please..example given in the sticky at the top of the forum but I'll post the example here..

$57.50 turbo – Two pair gets checkminraised on turn

why would u want to raise so much pre, especially with this exact hand its just horrible

preflop raise sizing

full tilt starts stack out at 100bb wow thats nice, wish stars did that

raise less preflop, 4x is not necessary with 67bb effective... raise less otf, board is wet but its basically a pot bet and i think your letting all the hands you get value from fold or putting them in a tougher spot than needs be when your repping too strong for them to call... once he shoves i dont see weaker 1pair jacks in his range so i dont like the call off...

I had the guy on auto fold at the start of the match 4Xing on the button.

After about 10 hands of that he started flat calling so I started 4xing and 5Xing better starting hands and 3Xing weaker hands because he started 3 betting and shoving after facing 4X bets preflop and pot sized C-bets on the flop.

Is this a flawed game plan?

^^ if he is horrible then it is okay i guess, i hate having bet sizing tells though

if he folded for 4x he prob would of folded same hands for 3x though just saying

also when someone starts 3betting more/lighter to adjust to us opening the btn wider with 100bb stacks ide call alot lighter and use position and re adjust to his adjustment or 4betting wider to discourage him from 3betting... if you just use this 4x and psb strategy the whole time you play him without calling lighter or 4betting more then he is going to exploit you, you can also just slow down and adjust to him by opening less which would be the least variance route but probably not most +ev...

my 2cents...

p.s nits/tags who 3bet more frequent than normal to adjust to you usually dont double and triple barrel hence why flatting and calling there bet once strategy in 3bet pots= good & floating them ott... if they are more spewy/aggro postflop 4betting or folding pf is better or just slowing down all together if we had put him on tilt

This is really good stuff thanks!

One of my main questions on the hand is if playing as aggressive as I was (4x and 5X pre and pot sized c-bet's on the flop) I know a player as tight as he was playing is going to do 2 things: shove out of frustration or wait for a hand to snap the manic off.

My question is this hand strong enough to play for stacks?

I have no fold equity because he went all in. I have top pair and a strong non-nut draw. It is clear villain will usually show up with a hand here, Was the hand enough in fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, shove, fold, fold, fold, fold then flat call the 4X raise with the hand you been folding for and then shove on the c-bet style villain was playing.

Thanks for this post. My dilemma is I believe villains range is stronger than your ranges. If you asked me to put him on a range on the flop shove I would have said:

AA-88, AJ, AK, possible but unlikely based on his tightness (QJ, Q10), I think I may be a bigger dog in this situation against this tight of a player then normal. Am I looking for too many big monsters around the corner with a tight $10 player?

^^ you have 11bb invested to call 56 or so and against pretty much any value hand you have like 45% equity or whatever, didnt stove it or anything but in general its between 40 and 45 so you could call being a dog but you obviously have a edge on him so ide fold

smaller pre, as played snapcall. you dominate a ton of combo draws and it's pretty rare that people just chk/jam nutted hands this deep.

lol wtf never folding here

You make a point I never thought about in this hand:

a tight villain might try to get value from a strong range thinking he has the fish on the hook.

I respect your game but a $10 nitty player pressured and pushed like I was pushing this villain in this match sometimes can't wait to use an expression I have seen around here (fist pump shove) to show the manic he won't be pushed around!)

Less likely at your usual stakes but really not uncommon at the $10 when you play as aggressive as I played this match. It is more common pre when villain picks up a hand like AK.

call.

also quit the clown sizing.

4wiw vs certain villains ive 5-7xed it pre. Pretty complicated to go into detail the circumstances, but saying 2x or 3x in a vaccume is how to play isnt really helping to OP out.

To reply to the thread, im never folding flop.

What is wrong with the bet sizing?

This line of thinking is ****ing ******ed and as a coach, you should know better.

How is c/jamming here with 2pair+/AJ awful here? What should they do? Make it 555 and then shove the turn card?

Pass.

i'm not coaching the villain, sir. i'm just talking about how the average villain tends to play those type of hands here.

btw, i'm not a coach anymore. i just crush lives.

Why is 4.3x the gold standard????

This made me laugh. Well done.

It sure seems to tilt the 2x crowd.

Just fyi, fish at all stakes are reasonably similar. It's more that there are a TON of them at the $10s, and the ratio declines as you go up. But players at higher stakes play fish a lot, and they're not a ton different. This is a pretty different situation than a 400NL reg who doesn't know how $5 6max games play.