Turbo 100+5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BB): t432 21.60 BBs
BTN/SB: t1568 78.40 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with Q J
BTN/SB raises to t40, Hero calls t20

Flop: (t80) Q 5 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t69, BTN/SB calls t69

Turn: (t218) K (2 players)
Hero bets t169, BTN/SB raises to t338, Hero calls t154 all in

River: (t864) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)



For better or for worse HockieGreg has inspired me to move up. I was going to play a $50 but low and behold a guy with a Fishbowl next to him shows up in a $100 turbo. I normally don't play turbo's even at lower buy-ins. Snooze you lose so I hit the buy-in button. Not my smartest bankroll decision.

I had been very aggressive in position against villain in the few hands we played and my style was annoying this reg at the $100 level. He hated my bet sizing. He clearly sharkscoped me as well because he commented in the chat box that my cheese play might work at low limit stuff but I will be chopped up if i pull that bs stuff up here.

I had been donking for pot control and he would smooth call often and it appeared to me he was calling light, often in position. He did catch an 8 on the river in a previous hand. His A8 - 2 pair beat My A10 top pair to wound my stack pretty good.

About 8 or 9 hands in the match, I finally catch a flop out of position.

My questions:

1. Do i still donk the flop? That's what I had been doing pretty often up until now?

2. Lead the turn? I really wanted action so I didn't shove.

3. I was shallow I planned to play for stacks once I hit the flop was this the right line? Pot control has to be out of the question here right?

Results were good and put me back in the hunt I ended up winning the match. I am happy with my line and don't really see any other options which makes me think I might learn something by posting the hand.

Have never played this high, but at the 100$ level, is it common not to 3bet pre good hands like this?

Edit: my bad. You have no chips.

Have you used clown sizing throughout the entire match ? I'm really not a big fan of that, though I occasionally use it myself.

Regarding leading, if you have done this a lot in the past where he called you down light, then I think you should continue doing so in this hand.

Really not a fan of donk betting, but I'm not sure whether we can actually expect him to bet by checking to him and he's probably starting to play back at our donking sooner or later, so that's the perfect situation to do with with a value hand.

Would i really want to build a pot out of position with my stack size with a solid but not awesome hand?

I don't care what stakes you play. I have read a few of your posts, i do care what you think.

Screw the buy-in. I was probably a fool for basically putting 1/11 of bankroll on this site in a HU turbo.

BTW I rarely 3 bet out of position.

Yes, but not at these effective stacks. We are too shallow to 3-bet for value but too deep to 3-bet shove, and QJs want to take flops a lot more than it wants to get it in pre. You might be able to get away with a go and go but it's fine as is also.

Whether to lead or c/r flop is a decision that's dependent on your opponent's c-bet % and how much of a station he is. If he doesn't c-bet a lot but likes calling leading is best, if he's not a huge station but c-bets a ton go for the c/r.

As played turn is fine, and yea with those stacks on that flop you're almost definitely getting it in against a fish unless the worst ever cards hit the turn/river (like Ad turn Kd river or something)

At these stack sizes, it depends on whether we want to get it in or not.

QJs is a hand that plays perfectly post-flop, so we should never turn it into a bluff by 3bet/folding - whenever we do 3bet this hand, we have to do it with the intention of 3bet/calling.

However, 3bet/calling for ~22 bb is only profitable if villain really jams super light over our 3bets - and we have no reason to believe he does.

And you do not only need to check whether 3betting this hand is profitable, you also need to consider whether it's more profitable than calling.

I do it all the time. Every thing was clown sized up this point. I bet 69 on the button every hand up to this point in the match.

played exactly right imo.

Unrelated.. but, do you think the lessens your chance for rematches? I could see it tilting villans pretty easily.. which is good.. but rematching is even more +EV for the player with the edge.

Could you explain why you donked more detailed for me? I'm new and cmoe from a cash background where donking is generally frowned upon so I would like to just understand why you did it? Not questioning you or saying your wrong, but asking for a legit explanation for a newbie :P

I'd play it the same. With one exception.

I'd bet less, like half pot, on the flop. I know nothing about your previous donk bets, but your flop donk bet OOP looks very strong. And after another strong bet on the turn he should definately fold. Even if he thought you were a fish, he should have assumed after this donk bet that you had a hand with potential (like a flush draw/straight draw or combo) and you were willing to play for stacks.

c/r flop

They still rematch me just as much as when I don't clown bet (there is no significant difference for getting more/less rematches). I've actually put this on trial and looked at rate of rematch between two different months (month 1 was clown betting all game & month two was your std 60 pre 80 flop etc).

awesome post as always Insane_Steve

+1 Steve. well said

It's more of a meta-game issue for me. I had played very aggressive in this match and was down chips. I had donked quite a bit against this villain and took down several pots before he rivered me. I figured he might have thought I was tilting by getting Rivered by him and based upon how aggressive I played he's going to start assuming I'm playing light pretty often.

Put this all together. I'm seriously short stacked but not desperate, I pick up a good hand and I hit the flop, I want action. Probably the worst thing that could happen on this hand is I check and the villain checks behind. If he folds I take down a decent sized pot to rehab my stack. But at the time I truly felt the villain was going to call or even better try to blow me off the hand.

Once I hit this flop my goal was to get all the chips in the middle and donking three streets is the best way to accomplish this out of position without blowing the villain off the hand by shoving.