would you rather always bet the river or always check

any reads ? readless i bet

even with most reads i jam this river
not close either i guess

pretty easy jam IMO, also, nice turn sizing I like it.

A lot of busted draws so what do you guys think about a weak bet of like 200?
Just so he can bluff or hero call us with every bluffcatcher.
A shove looks most bluffy i guess but unless he has QJ or QK we arent gonna get called by much weaker hands.
I think a small bet would get us paid off by a lot of weak stuff and induce if he had a club draw/ JT.

Id Also like to make it a bit bigger pre like 140
As played jam is probably standard

I jam here 90%+ of the time but I think you can at least consider a c/c here vs villans who overvalue draws and would play Qx for stacks on this flop.

Doing this gets us less value from 9x of course (which could fold anyway) but way more from draws who decide to bluff. It also lets villan make a mistake and not get entire stack in with 7x. When we check river here alot of players bet pretty small with 7x as our hand looks like AK/AJ etc.

But without a pretty specific read like that, a jam is likely best.. Stack all his worse Qx and let him hero you with 9x.

What hands are calling a river jam? T8, KK, 7x (likely only K7s), that's it. We've got blockers to worse Qx/A7/AA type hands, so less likely. There just isn't enough value to be had from jamming. I like beeni's idea of a small bet but that will force more calls and far fewer raises, so we're likely losing value. That leaves checking it, allowing him to turn his hand into a bluff for usually 1/2 pot, which we can expect a fair bit. So I like checking back river to allow villain to bluff or thin value bet, likely gets most value in this particular case.

Yeah I forgot that we are oop.
So we could just check to let him bluff all his missed draws.
I just see more value in that then shoving.
Even tho id rather make a really weak bet like 150-200.
Hes gonna herocall a lot and with every showdownvalue.
If im playing vs unknown and im not sure if hes going to bluff shove id rather bet small to get extra value and he still can shove over it because it looks so weak.

Jam river, but also cbet flop larger. If you think about the standard 3bet flatting range this board smacks it, we have TPTK and we want to get value.

Plus cbetting larger will set up the stacks on turn and river much more nicely and you're more likely to get called on your 3rd barrel when the board runs out like this.

this.

all of those hands that are calling us are jamming river anyways, so that point is moot. really, were just trying to figure out how to play against the non-nutted hands. plus i really dont expect villain to show up with KK/AA enough to make that a valid point; most ppl will find preflop/flop/turn to raise those hands instead of calling down. id say its at least like 20:1 that they raise at some other point in the hand. The small bet would get more calls, but I dont think its significant enough to make it better than the shove.

what hands do you expect to flat two streets and then bluff river? Im pretty sure that most of villains turn flatting range will call a river shove more often than bluffing river, and I think that if villain is flatting turn he is more likely to either semi-bluff flop/turn or just give up on river. that gives hero a losing proposition for check/calling river bets because villains range is more likely to be comprised of nutted hands instead of air.

checking it just lets 8x check back for free too often, which I think will be the biggest part of our value range (Qxs and QKo,QJo,QTo,Q9o is the rest pretty much, plus 99-JJ from ******s who should quit poker, but that is extremely rare. i mean the hand range, not the ******s who should quit poker...they are aplenty)

ive been drinkin a bit, so hopefully this makes sense