I'm looking for a discussion aimed at developing my skills, I live in Germany and (I play) I study on gg poker spin and gold. limits 3, 5 dollars. it depends on the runn if bad I lower the stakes ,2 from 3 / 2 from 1 if good I play the stakes, 3 from 5 / 1 from 10 . I divided 2 sessions into aspects relating to non-showdown and I seem to see 2 clear results.
the first image always refers to the session that I tried to take advantage of to close the spot before the showdown. the second and more hit or fold.
- hu keeping the red line up in low stack structures makes it more profitable.
- 3 way (where I'm rubbish) I think that at least trying to keep it up by taking advantage of the right opportunities makes it better in terms of EV bb/100.
Anyone willing and able to give their opinion? Thank you

If you are able to provide frequencies in specific positions with amount of players, that would be more useful to providing you insight (ala what is your HU vpip in the sb rather than just average vpip HU)

Is this 6max or 3max?

No offence but they are profitable only after bonuses that you forget to mention. i assume you know that with 11 cev you do not make any money you lose money.

What happends with the gg spins? There are not profitable? And the pokerstars spins?

Regular speed ones are profitable unless you play like $50+ where most profit comes from RB.

Spin & Gold is +ev post-rb if you masstable them and rake a lot

So the spins in gg poker are faster than those in pokerstars? How many blinds is the first level in gg poker?

3max only spin hyper .

i have restarted new database but i think den open range ist the same .

what would be a good ev chip for gg poker? or for the 15 bb turbo and hyper structures?

Can anyone comment on spin n go max on stars? Anyone know if they are beatable?


almost 6k games and I don't think im winning longterm.$30 level. Can anyone guess at what kind of sample size one would need to have in order to have a good idea of a win rate in these? Because as you can see I don't mass table I have always been a graph whore always prided myself on highest ROI and I am top 5 regs in this damn field probably top 3 (due to many other spin regs avoiding this) yet I'm not winning . Driving me insane. Can anyone comment please and thankyou

How many hands is this? Some goal thread named "ITT we beat spin & go max" said "I know of 3-4 30$ Regs who beat the game for 10k tournaments or more, let's be one of them."

My instinct tells me this format is clearly profitable for you, 6k games shuold at least be a decent indicator I guess, but who knows. You're up $40k, that's a lot...

Thanks for the reply Epic.

I have not won 40k however. Im assuming PT4 just add all the prizes together? I am confirmed down about $3700 overall. I just got stars to email me my entire spin max history. So I am not winning. I swear it's because I am picking bad boxes, esp in big multipliers, either that or the games are not beatable. Because My chip graph looks ok right? (I can't seem to find "Chip ev" as well. Like chips per tourney like how I would track regular spins. ) Is this even the correct way I should be tracking these ?

Here is an updated graph with hands played instead of tournies. Also I added the "Overly net adjusted" line if that means anything with this format. I'm now hoping it does because it looks like I'm running like ****? lol.



Edit: And yes Epicwin I'm aware of that thread I came across it several years ago in my search for more information on these. He ended up quitting. He couldn't handle the variance, although theoretically he said they were beatable. But it's his word against many others and Ive yet to be shown a long-term graph that has properly converged and is solidly winning.