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Old 09-15-2017, 03:45 AM   #1
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Arrow Raising range otr

Hi all

What is a bottom of our raisig range otr? Ty

2 players

BB: 23 BB
Hero (SB): 23+ BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q8

Hero raises to 2 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) KT5
BB checks, Hero bets 1.5 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Turn: (7 BB, 2 players) J
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (7BB, 2 players) 7
BB bets 4,5bb, Hero raises all in to 19,5 bb
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Old 09-16-2017, 01:39 PM   #2
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Re: Raising range otr

Depends on what BB is calling.
You need to be called by worse more often than by better. If he calls only 2 pairs +, you are likely better to jam only straights+, if you think he calls some Kx, you prob can raise some of the best 2 pairs, with your line your best two pair is J7 which is too weak imo, so basically seems straights+.
Just put ranges in some software and take a look on how many two pairs, straights,flushes and top pairs he will have on the river to get better idea.
Also something like raising small/folding with weaker two pairs can be better as you will get more calls and lose less vs very strong hands as I dont believe someone will just bluff jam over your raise
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Old 09-20-2017, 11:53 AM   #3
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Re: Raising range otr

Asking for the bottom of the raising range is weird. You can sometimes even fold "better ranked" hands, and jam worse hands for merge.

I looked at a solution. You are supposed to bluff jam some 7x Jx (Jd) even Kx for a merge/fold out chop (mostly with some diamond). Some 2ps can even jam. This all depends on how villain plays rivers. He is supposed to overbet jam some value here (Q9 98 especially) which not all regs do and certainly fish don't, so I wouldn't jam 2ps over his bet.
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Old 09-23-2017, 05:09 PM   #4
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Re: Raising range otr

I wouldn't jam two pair. That seems silly given all the possible straights and flushes. So maybe 98 or Q9. Somewhere around there. The queen high flush is easily good enough, if that's what you're wondering.
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