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Originally Posted by Bluenowhere
One point that people don't really seem to mention. If you are jamming hands like QTs/QTo your flatting range is going to become a lot weaker and even though jamming may well be max ev for these hands I'm not sure it's max ev for the combination of flatting + jamming ranges. Unfortunately very hard to quantify but I do think that jamming sometimes and flatting sometimes will maximise the ev of your strategy. Also becomes a lot more difficult to play against when people do see you both flatting and jamming hands like this pre since they are then they have to try and guess what hands you are jamming and with what frequency you are putting hands in your flatting range and in your jamming range. Also I think one thing people do poorly is they see you flat QTs and jam QTs, so they know it can be in either range. Then when they do a post flop calculation in game/later they don't weight ranges to take into account that a hand like T8o is more likely than QTs, which leads to some incorrect assumptions and the best way to capitalise on this is to mix in flatting/jamming.
It's possible I place too much emphasis on trying to strengthen my bb flatting range based on weak emperical evidence and hurt the ev of my strategy because of it. I have never actually done any thorough calculations on this (and doing so would most likely be fruitless anyway without looking really deeply at my entire game which would take way too much time) but intuition and logical thought does make me think that this is more likely to be right than a 'I prefer flatting' or 'I prefer jamming' approach.
That's a valid point, and I'm hyper concerned about my range balancing as well (probably because I play a lot more cash games nowadays).
If anything, QTo makes up 12 combos while QTs only 4, so if you jam QTs and flat QTo I don't think you have to worry too much about weakening your flatting range.
And as for constructing ranges, it is totally possible that the best solution suggests we do 2 different things with the same hand, with some frequencies. For example, if we are to jam and flat QTs 50:50, we might as well jam QcTc and QhTh and flat QsTs and QdTd, etc. However, this usually leads to complicated strategy, and while it's true that opponents are more likely to make mistakes against this "mixed" strat, we too have to be careful and precise with the strat as well, otherwise we will start making mistakes ourselves.