PokerStars - 40/80 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 2 players
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Hero (SB): 10.25 BB
BB: 8.5 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (2 BB, 2 players) T 2 2
BB checks, Hero bets 1 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Turn: (4 BB, 2 players) K
BB checks, Hero bets 1.87 BB, BB raises to 6.5 BB and is all-in, Hero ?

oppo is unkown , looks quite tight though.

i wouldn't mind to check flop.

as played i donw know. probably not often ahead here.

/// I'd call A9o+ A6s+ 55+ ///

Id check flop too and as played checking turn

I agree that checking flop is good, in particular being this a rainbow flop. As played?

check flop. as played, check turn. check flop on non-rainbow boards too...flush draws are never folding to a bet so a bet isn't achieving protection against those kinds of hands.

Do you mean on paired boards or in general?

Would you fold here against the shove?
btw I don't get the point that he would never fold with a draw. Should't I let him pay to see a turn card on a drawy board?

I meant on this specific board at this stack depth. I meant if this board had a flush draw, I would still check. I see why that was unclear haha. In general though, I'm checking the big overpairs that don't benefit much from protection on most paired boards at most stack depths, I think.

ah ok, I see.
would you fold here against the shove?

If you bet and he calls with a draw, that is a valubet not betting for protection. Of course value bets still achieve some degree of protection, but I'm just saying if villain is calling w draws always then our bet isn't protecting against him calling w that. When we bet for protection, it means that we are betting attempting to fold out some hands that have equity vs us. Most bets achieve some amount of protection - if we bet here, villain will often fold K3o for example, or fold outs backdoor equity hands like 98o. Protection is just one aspect we should factor into whether we bet or not though. QQ needs little protection, so I check it here. If I had 77 on a board like 662, I would bet it any stack depth bc it needs protection a lot more than hands like QQ-AA. Maybe this was redundant, but trying to be clear.

Another big reason for checking the flop here w QQ imo is that you can still easily leverage stacks to get max value vs villains TX on turn/river. Also, many villains will take lines on turn/river that make it pretty obvious they likely have 2X and we can not lose our whole stack (turn x/mr, or half pot turn + 75-100% river...I'm just calling down there and we save like 2-3bb).

As played, I'm folding to the shove. I don't think we have 27% equity.

ok, thanks. the fact is that some players will call a three barrell on paired boards with stuff like A or K high or will raise a T, this why I tend to bet here ( I think 60-70% bet and 30 check back)

ty HokieGreg
solid in all fronts

/// I'd call A9o+ A6s+ 55+ ///

Even if I think someone is going to raise and stack off with TX, I'm still checking here. You will still get that guys stack most of the time when you check and you can still minimize losses vs 2x a lot of times. This is 8.5bb effective, so I'm not expecting to see any AX here and not much KX too. The kind of player that calls of a hand like K7 high card on like T22 J 3 runout is very likely the kind of player to just jam K7 pre imo. Even at deeper stacks vs the stations, I'd just check flop and size up turns/rivers - we still give villain a chance to turn 2X face up somehow.

When you say you bet 60-70% here and check 30%, are you referring to a mixed strategy? Or are you saying that you 60-70% of the time you think it's exploitatively best to bet?

Example of a spot I think we can get away from a setup if we check flop...

8.25 eff we limp QQ

Flop T22r, check/check

Turn 5, villain checks, we bet half pot, villain x/mr, we call

River 7 villain jams

I'm nit-folding here. Villain has a lot of 2X in check back range, it makes sense for 2X to play this way, I don't see bluffs take this line often, and I don't think TX takes this line much

So I think there's a decent chance villain will let us get away from hand when we are dominated.

I do some kind of a mix strategy with my 60% here, unless oppo is very nitty/loose-aggro.
Btw, would you still check back 100% on this board 20x deep?

I'd never limp QQ that deep, but if I did I'd be betting the flop at that point.