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05-31-2011 , 12:36 PM

Pajak666

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Second hand of the match, so no reads,
Any other options except c/calling ?

Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.25 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1327961
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BTN/SB: t1560 52 BBs
Hero (BB): t1440 48 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with 7

BTN/SB raises to t60, Hero calls t30

Flop: (t120) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t90, Hero calls t90

Turn: (t300) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t215, Hero calls t215

River: (t730) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t420, Hero folds

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05-31-2011 , 02:02 PM

Joe Pulaski

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fold pf

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05-31-2011 , 02:17 PM

303

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I'd say fold turn. As played, I'd call the river, as 8d changes nothing.

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05-31-2011 , 03:28 PM

Bello

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Originally Posted by 303

I'd say fold turn.

#2

against some pretty aggressiv guys turn call isnt that bad, river i fold it withut reads

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05-31-2011 , 05:05 PM

Almito

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Originally Posted by Joe Pulaski

fold pf

This is prob the best advice you can get from that thread.

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06-01-2011 , 02:13 AM

stone75

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Originally Posted by 303

I'd say fold turn. As played, I'd call the river, as 8d changes nothing.

I am 100% for fold pre flop.

But once in the hand I think it is a call on the flop and turn. And exactly because 8 on the river changes nothing I can't see opponent firing 3-barrels (he might fire a second barrel on the A) and I think we have to fold River.

It's not easy to judge if opponent is able to fire two barrels on a turn overcard after two hands.

btw: What is our lowest offsuit Q we are calling oop at this stage without reads? My rule of thumb is Q9o. Suited I might call Q8s. My range for suited Q is probably to nitty, but I like to have some straight value as well readless. Everything fine with my range here?

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06-01-2011 , 03:53 AM

Souleh

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As mentioned fold pre, Q8o is very close... Q9o is a decent hand to call pre with.

As played, fold turn.

As played turn, call river. If you call the turn you cannot fold the river when nothing at all changes. If anything that's a good card for you. I assume since you called turn and folded on that river you're only going to call another bet if you improve or hope he shuts down - both of those are pretty bad.

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06-01-2011 , 08:42 AM

Pajak666

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How come bunzablood posted 3 times in this thread and none of the replies contained usefull information?
What is a borderline to get a ban?
You really can insult everybody and post ****ty replies for that long without any reaction of mods (except constant deleting his replies)?

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06-01-2011 , 09:22 AM

ChicagoRy

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To be honest, there's a report button and until people press it there's not really a point in complaining.

Posts deleted, he's receiving an infraction for derailing a strategy thread like this, if you guys are bothered by posts hit the report post button below the post count to notify mods. We don't see/catch everything and rarely take banning measures, if you want more bans/harsher moderating please voice it (in the FAQ thread and by reporting posts that are out of line). It's a community.

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06-01-2011 , 09:31 AM

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Air-Bear

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If villain checks back Ahi on these boards and can bluff draws/overs to the 8, I like calling down here. He's not repping very wide if that's the case. If he Cbets most aces and isn't a maniac I like a fold on the turn. If he is a maniac I fold pre anyway.

The 8 on the river is a good card for us because it reduces the amount of 8x combos that villain can bet for value OTT.

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06-01-2011 , 10:45 AM

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Pajak666

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ok, so you say it's best to fold PF.
But isn't that too nitty?
so we should call like top 25-35% of hands?
If I would see sth like this I would blindly raise all my buttons to show immediate profit by picking up blinds.
does my logic fail someway?

I'll try to tighten up for few days and see how it works

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06-01-2011 , 11:00 AM

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Souleh

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It's not like a mega spew calling with this hand, but i think the 'norm' is to tighten up a little bit.

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06-01-2011 , 11:33 AM

#13

Shove It

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Readless i'm def folding the turn because i'm not calling a river bet. I think i'd need more info on villain 1st.

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06-01-2011 , 04:03 PM

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stone75

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Originally Posted by Pajak666

if you add hands to your 3-bet range that are to weak to call you have something about 55% range. Not to bad

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06-01-2011 , 05:12 PM

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Joe Pulaski

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q7o isnt a particularly good hand, especially if you're not going to play it that well postflop

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06-01-2011 , 05:17 PM

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u cnat spel

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You're not skilled enough to defend Q7o OOP. Give it time as you move up stakes, and even then, defending Q7o at these stack sizes isn't advisable.

Honestly, I don't feel like $6 donks are capable of value betting an 8 on the turn like this, nor are they capable of value betting an A on the river like that. I probabably call 3 streets.

BUT, fold pre.

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