Pauly if you are still asking questions about 10bb shoving and calling ranges after 5 years you should probably look at a new profession. Heard backgammon is a good game.

Not everyone is as smart as you know.



Also most players know poker changes quite a bit. Yes the shoving and calling ranges are the same. But the issue is when you have different apps like pushfold showing one thing, snapshove showing another... then you have pushfoldcharts.com... then you have the holdemresources, there is so much information out there.


Also i dont think the push/fold on snapshove make sense for calling all ins because they seem extremely loose.


So for heads up, i want a chart where i can look and memorize it. Previously i used pushfoldcharts.com. But then someone mentioned thats for heads up sng or spins... which means they are not correct for regular mtt.


Thus i want a chart that is specifically for heads up in mtt play or sng play etc where there is ante involved. Thus i know that holdem resources chart is only for heads up play only from what ppl say here.

All the charts you mentioned are simply a guide. Your multi year strive for perfection on the exact sub 20 big blind poker strategy has been a huge waste of time. You should be more bothered about playing deeper stacks well as if you can crush poker with 50 or 100 big blinds you wont blind down to dust all the time.

Memorising a chart and not deviating from it based on your opponents frequencies is not a winning strategy.

Realise im wasting my time but honestly just give up poker you have been asking the most basic questions forever always about the perfect chart while not giving a damn about actually playing poker well. Memorising a chart isn't poker sorry to break it to you.

Why shouldn't players be limping under 10bb? there is Limp ranges @ 7bb still...Nash charts are not giving you a limping range, Its Shove or Fold... What if you can have a limp range?

If you want to use Nash basically shove wider and call tighter than those numbers a bit.

I know you can still limp under 10bb. I mean if someone starts shoving at say under 20bb. For example many players heads up would just jam 15bb with any ace and pairs like 22-66 etc. And do it with hands like j9s and q10s and say 98s.



So i want to know if hands like J10o is a call up to how many bb. Example on holdemresources chart with no antes, shows call J10o up to 12.7bb. Pushfoldcharts seem to call up to 13bb. But holdemresources with 10% antes... says you can call up to 15.1bb. I then played with snapshove and with 10% antes, you can call up to 14.5bb. Snapshove with 12.5% ante, you can call up to 14bb with J10o. That doesn't make sense here because bigger ante, why would you call less bb with 12.5% ante than 10%?



Also is there big difference between 10 vs 12.5 percent ante? Most tournaments seem to use 12.5% ante. But if that is the case, the push/fold looks very loose. But say 9 handed and you have 10bb. I always recalled you needed minimum AJo to jam. A10o is a fold UTG. Yet snapshove and floattheturn has you needing ATo as a jame with 10bb and utg.

Fine... some bad regs jam 15bb or even bigger with those hands like that. Such as which is the best chart of all to use in these situations. Theres pushfold, floattheturn, snapshove. I know there is also holdem resources and icmizer. But about those old jennifear charts? Also does anyone know for the pushfoldcharts... whether its full ring or heads up, what ante they are using? Is it 10%, 12.5%? Or you consider both the same? So for heads up, i assume they is an ante right? Or is that heads up push fold on pushfoldcharts not using an ante?



I was looking at snapshove HU actually. Thats why it did not make sense to me.



Yes 12.5% antes, pot is bit bigger. But should you try to memorize the charts for both of them? Remembering one is hard enough. So its fine to just follow the 10% ante chart and disregard the 12.5% chart? I find the shove and calling shoves with 12.5% ante extremely loose.

15bb os is more like A2-A4o and 22/33, maybe some random broadway KTo to stop you from calling with random connectors

best to use vs a gto opponent would be a custom chart that is calls vs a gto shoving range, not a nash chart

Don't use a chart to call when SB jams at 15bb with a narrow range.

Use calculators to figure out what the best range is to call with. This isn't going to be a free googable chart, it's going to be a $50-200 per month software that you'll have to use to find these answers for yourself.

Repeat, NASH Call is not relevant when an opponent just decides to jam with "some" range at 15bb. If they're also limping and/or minraising, just disregard those NASH charts completely. And it's very frequently the case that they just jam a specific range at those stack sizes and limp or raise plenty of others.

Hi there. But lets assume the players are regs and have a good idea of push/fold. So say they shoves hands where they know pushing so and so hands in the sb into bb or lojack is profitable and unexploitable at say 10bb and 15bb. Thus if they are playing nash, well i want to call correctly. Thus when in lojack positions jam 10bb with 10% antes, floattheturn shows you can call in BB with

22+
a2s+
a7o
k9s+
kjo+
qts+
j10s+


I have a tough time thinking calling off with A7o here in the bb to a lojack 10bb jam is correct here. That seems very loose. Also they the shoving range of lojack 10bb jam in lojack as

22+
a2s+
a8o+
k8s+
kjo+
q9s+
qjo+
j8s+
T8s+
98s
87s


So i would thought... if lojack needs a8o+ minimum, how in the world can you call with only a7o in the bb? I mean i would figured you need at least A9o here at the minimum. I do get the you call lighter the closer you get to the BB and here, you are last person to act. But that seems way too loose. Also calling 10bb with q10s and j10s? I can understand getting the proper odds here because these hands have good equity, but in a mtt where someone jams 10bb in lojack and you have around 10bb and lets say its in the middle of tournament where you ignore icm... are you suppose to call your last 10bb off here with q10s and j10s? That doesn't seem correct at all. Now if you had say a 50bb stack and the guy jammed 10bb... i can see calling fine.

Nobody is going to spoon feed you the correct ranges but they have kindly pointed out that the NASH calling ranges are less relevant because the "opener" is often playing a strategy other than push/fold off many of your stacksize examples.

The reason the big blind can call those hands against a NASH shoving range is because those hands win or breakeven in bbs/chips on a call against that shoving range. People have told you that you are often not facing this shoving range though so now you have to put in the work and figure out what sort of range you are facing when an opponent shoves from "x" position off of "x" big blinds and then run the calculation again.

By the the way it is especially true when the opponent start to limp some correct equity hand or minraise them as KJo...

for sure first u should know tendencies of the villain, then why not use propoker tools to define equity about possible range of the opponent ? imo best way to do