Just watched a video of a reputable mid stakes husng grinder advocating to take a look at these charts for optimal push fold poker as an end game strategy in husnsgs.

http://www.pushfoldcharts.com/headsup/

Rather than assuming I should memorise and use these charts blindly at any stage, I have some thoughts I'd like to share first.

Regulars at decent stakes in husngs say that it's a very common leak at lower stakes that players push and call way too tight.
Knowing that, aren't these optimal ranges for pushing at let's say 16BB stack depth affected a lot by that?

I mean, vs a too tight player, should you still shove the bottom end of your open shove range knowing that he only calls when you're crushed? In a phase like 16BB where folding doesn't make a big difference to the playability of you stack

I had a look at the charts in the first place to find out if my ranges are indeed too tight. I never even think of shoving 46s for 16bb.
Let's assume I shove 30% of my range in an end game phase and you feel that villain only shoves 20% and you chip him down this way, I wonder if I should drop the bottom end of my range or not.

Edit:

I don't know if this is a leak but generally I min raise/ fold a lot for 16bb and start push folding at 10bb and less.
No clue if this is exploitable or not

Its Depending on your Ranges!

Minraising 70% at 10bb is exploitable.

Against Tight Players you should Shove wider and minraise a Lot.

When you make a minraise you Invest 1,5BB to win 1,5BB so When someone defends 50% u should Steal any2.

So everytime The Opponent defends more or less 50% (Q5o is The 50% Hand)

Raise any2. And it gets better When he calls his 50% because you can Realise your Equity then.

As a Standard I openshove 22-44 at 20BB maybe Even at 25bb.

I openshove A2o-A8o at 15BB

At 10BB I openshove any A, Any K, Q6 or better, J9, T8, 98, 87o,86s,75s,65s

Because you can get bluff shoved on a lot. Are there any other ways of exploitation?
Also I always look at specific hands when I decide "this is a min raise, this is a fold, this is an open jam" and not really in terms of percentages. 70% looks exploitably high indeed but I wonder what a proper minraise % should be at 10bb vs the average opponent who doesn't tend to bluff shove. 50%?
And I wonder whether one should balance min raising and open jamming or only open jam / fold at this stack depth.

Lower than 10bb (again, this is feel based and not math based) I do not see how you can ever min raise /fold profitably, which leaves open jamming or folding as the only option


Agreed, even though I don't see how one could realize somebody folds exactly 50% of the times to a min raise in any given spot


What stakes of husngs do you play in general?
Openshoving 20bb with any pocket pair is never bad, is what I read in a GTO article. Looks like you play GTO. gg sir

I play The 3,5s.

Minraising 70% can be exploited by shoving wide over it.
You can minraise fold too.
For example The minraise Itself can pe profitable and then you can fold.

And I Said it right.

When you Raise to 2bb you put in 1,5BB

And When you win you win his BB and your SMALL blind!

Thats why you Invest 1,5xbb to win 1,5xbb

This gives you a Good estimation for your Calling Range.
As a Default I call Q5o for example in The BB vs minraise.