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01-27-2012 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
Short Update: Stars is aware of this thread and will jump in at some point I believe.

Until then, keep the ideas flowing, lots of great feedback in here.

I also think it's a good idea to talk about ideas for improving the 2nd and 3rd largest sites and their HUSNG structures (Party Poker and Ipoker).

The reasons why I think that is a good idea are basically because those two sites have much worse structures (and rake in some cases) than PokerStars, and because many players still play there (and many more will play there). I do notice that many players as time goes on end up on PokerStars for heads up sngs, and building better structures on the 2nd and 3rd largest sites will not only improve heads up sng play on those sites, but also should feed a larger volume of heads up sng players into PokerStars (as long as they remain the best destination for HUSNG players, which doesn't appear to be changing in the near future).

With a few positive changes on Ipoker and Party Poker, we could then show those changes to slightly smaller places like Ongame, 888 and Merge and it could be a pretty quick domino of improvements to our game (though some of these sites have various types of issues, so it won't be as simple as "every site should do this" it'll be lowering rake on Party, fixing some structures on Ipoker, for example).

I think we can also find win-win scenarios here too. Party Poker raking 10% on micro husngs, last I checked their husng volume was quite low compared to their overall traffic (though by no means was my "study" super scientific or a large enough sample), so they may be shooting themselves in the foot with that 10% up to $10 rake (certainly are shooting lower stakes players in the foot, or hell, in the head!).
Yes iPoker HUSNGs would be so much better if they just made a 15/30 blind level.
01-27-2012 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSide11
That is a good point, though I don't think adding a bit more to a time bank will slow the game down that much that fish will leave. Its just that there are spots that come up where 10 seconds in not enough.
I wonder if there is any way that you can 'accrue' a time bank - so players that are multi-tabling and can't keep up with the pace do not have extra time, but those that do keep up have more time in such tricky spots.

I only play 2 tables, but colour code the multi-tablers that take too long with every decision in every hand in turbos so I can avoid them, as they tilt the hell out of me (I'm a rec player just learning HUSUNGs).
01-28-2012 , 09:00 AM
I totally support this.

P.S. Long time lurker, first time poster.
01-29-2012 , 08:06 AM
+1 thanks to everyone involved in this.

Add tables feature would be absolutely amazing, some kind of challenge a player feature cool but difficult to implement, a bunch of adverts and leaderboards cool too.
01-29-2012 , 08:28 AM
I'd like euro HU hypers!
01-29-2012 , 12:17 PM
+1 to add more table feature to a player you are currently playing against.
01-29-2012 , 02:09 PM
Let's not forget to address different poker clients and not only Pokerstars.
This has the advantage that the game conditions on those sites migt improve (good for the players who play there), but also that PS needs to do more effort to stay above the competition.
Better competition = more pressure = better conditions for the customer.
01-29-2012 , 03:47 PM
Another idea: Why not combine some of the mentioned suggestions?
Some players want higher stake games, others want the possibility to challenge each other. If PS isn't too keen on having higher stake games in the lobby, with the risk of those tables staying empty, they could offer those higher stakes in challenge situations only. So let's say you can opensit up to $5K, but you can challenge $10K and $20K games as well.
If PS notices that these high stake challenges happen often enough, they can still decide to provide them standard in the lobby if they want.
01-29-2012 , 07:19 PM
dont like it & pretty sure ps wont either

higher stakes = lower rake most likely

so its not like ps will make (much more) money with it
and really who wants to play someone who will actually accept ur challenge for 20.000$
lol

im not completely hating, i think there are just more pressing concerns/better ideas that should be handled first.
01-29-2012 , 07:40 PM
Nosebleed cash didn't bring in a ton of rake and it really built a loyal following and brought so many new players to poker rooms over the years (Think FTP in particular, but places like UB or Ladbrokes prior to that).

I always liked Stars approach to that, I believe you need permission in hu cash to play over a certain level. That should really stem any martingale or massive impulsive degenerate issues.

Then we're left with reg type battles, played at 10, 15 or even 20k buyins? That sounds pretty sweet to me.

Agreed with JTS though, this probably isn't at the top of the list for positive impact changes. But long term, having higher buyin HUSNGs, even with permission needed to sit, should bring some more cash regs into the nosebleed HUSNGs, perhaps more battles between regulars and known names, and more attention to HUSNGs in general. All that sounds pretty good for the game and PokerStars.
01-29-2012 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
Nosebleed cash didn't bring in a ton of rake and it really built a loyal following and brought so many new players to poker rooms over the years (Think FTP in particular, but places like UB or Ladbrokes prior to that).

I always liked Stars approach to that, I believe you need permission in hu cash to play over a certain level. That should really stem any martingale or massive impulsive degenerate issues.

Then we're left with reg type battles, played at 10, 15 or even 20k buyins? That sounds pretty sweet to me.

Agreed with JTS though, this probably isn't at the top of the list for positive impact changes. But long term, having higher buyin HUSNGs, even with permission needed to sit, should bring some more cash regs into the nosebleed HUSNGs, perhaps more battles between regulars and known names, and more attention to HUSNGs in general. All that sounds pretty good for the game and PokerStars.

they had the 10k hu sngs for a few days but got rid of them really quickly...
01-29-2012 , 09:04 PM
Yeh I agree to higher stakes to bring more publicity to husngs (obv as i mentioned it earlier). At the moment I don't think to some players like isildur its worth it bcoz obv he can make alot more $$$/per hour playing high stakes plo than the $5k's (plus its prob not that much to him). Def like the idea of being able to add more tables if your opponent agrees as well. Also leaderboards is prob my number one thing to add for husngs.
01-29-2012 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Tcarnage
they had the 10k hu sngs for a few days but got rid of them really quickly...
Yes, I think Plauzee was the first one to play those and I want to say he mentioned that they were up as a mistake/temporary at the time.

*Correction from earlier: The high stakes players should really be consulted on a potential addition of 10k+ games. We all have our views on the benefits of adding those, but if most high stakes players are against it, it wouldn't make enough sense to add them I think.
01-30-2012 , 12:26 PM
can't see it being a problem (or even hard) to add 10K and 20K BI levels and can't see y they wouldn't do it, i mean they wouldn't run that often but when they do stars instantly pockets $200 - $400 (2% rake)

but yer from th perspective of would effect the most people, its not hi up on the list of things to do
01-30-2012 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Steve
Thanks for your patience in waiting for a response. Please do keep the posts coming.

I will post a response in here before too long.
TOO LONG
01-30-2012 , 05:44 PM
4 days isn't too bad, he might be coming up with some big plans for heads up sngs. Wouldn't want a rushed plan either. More ideas, he'll jump in soon I'm sure.
01-30-2012 , 07:20 PM
I'm in. Great idea.

A BOP type leaderboard would be great (would have to allow for a lot of games though).

Maybe the top x in each buy-in gets free entry into a BOP free-entry HU tourney.

I think that would be good.
01-30-2012 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
4 days isn't too bad, he might be coming up with some big plans for heads up sngs. Wouldn't want a rushed plan either. More ideas, he'll jump in soon I'm sure.
Ry you should know by now, i have no patience !!!!!
01-30-2012 , 09:08 PM
I am in full support of this idea, and willing to help in anyway I can.
01-31-2012 , 12:27 PM
I want to see a "skaiwalkurrr challenge" instead an isildurrr challenge.

ofc he must become pro first.
01-31-2012 , 07:42 PM
I nominate myself, when I get elected I will start by doing a song + video as pokerstars steve.

You may ask yourself, what will that accomplish ? that may be a good question and I thank you for raising that point but ask not what can I do for you but what you can do for yourself.
01-31-2012 , 08:03 PM
lol^^

I have one tiny thing to add. Can we change the Notes from having to click notes and then use dropdown menu to select your opponent? In HU theres obv only 1 opponent. It's slightly annoying. ( i know you can also right click and hit notes, but thats too many clicks for me!)
01-31-2012 , 09:06 PM
^ Double click on their screen name.
01-31-2012 , 09:15 PM
oh...
01-31-2012 , 09:55 PM
Hyper Turbo HUMTT's that are the same structure as normal HU Hypers. I don't understand why they don't have this yet

      
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