SNG and especially HUSNG seems to be something only ******s would play anyways, right?

so the 60 cartel is just a bunch of ******s with a super ****** as the leader?

the thread still made some interesting read though :-]

You have a point there.

Just one question, does being in a cartel grant you "immunity" when you are playing lower stakes?
For example, player A is in the 200s cartel, does he get sat by the 100s cartel since he is freerolling that stake? Or does a player playing the 100s get sat by the 60s cartel since most guys who play these stakes play 200s - 60s?

Okay I see Thought I recognized that sn

no you can freeroll lower stakes, however...

Ex. If you play 200s and freeroll only 60s-100s, you can get kicked for abusing being in the 200s cartel. Same goes for 100s regs who would only freeroll 30s-60s and will skip playing 100s.

ty, somehow I missed that lol

Only reason is they don't wanna play with a really good player...so the better players in the group also need him inside (let's say they have - 0,5% EV roi vs him, and +1,5-2,5% EV vs most of the other regs). Only the weaker, lazier players should fear then.
And not really much of an incentive also without CAP to vote someone in. Less recreationals/members that way.

The best is a balanced system. All of the players, who deserve to be in, but as small as a group as possible. This way the group is big enough to controll the action, strong enough to be fearsome, and small enough so the weak players (fishes) per group member ratio will be good.

I can confirm that KidPokerSLO is no longer apart of the 60s group. None of the groups or "cartels" condone in this sort of behavior, the groups or "cartels" are about making sure bad players are not given a free pass when they choose to sit first in a lobby at stakes they probably are not good enough to play. It's NOT about trying to shut good people out or about trying to act like a cool group. The 100s cartel is pretty young still, and we're doing the best we can to make improvements on getting in/kicked out.

are you the groups PR guy?

voting system is joke,weaker regs in group will always vote no cuz if new regs are in that increases the possibility for them to be kicked out.

it needs to be allowed and accepted for outsiders to attack weak cartell members or who ever they want, the cartell is doing exactly the same thing.
this shouldnt have the consequences that the attacker will be never allowed in the cartell,thats weak....
if the attacker beats the cartell member for like 2k games than the cartell member will be kicked out and the attacker should be in.
the existing voting system is just ridiculous!

lol 2k games is not even a month worth of volume gl with that

and

This is false. They (weaker regs) would most likely vote yes to prevent playing with them everyday. And the stronger players would be more inclined to vote no.

...think whole system is pretty young and therefore not mature!
A system where the bottom 20% "regs" could be battled by regs pushing into the group would be very interesting and would lead to more fairness; but maybe we should not talk about "fairness" in a cartel.

unless you can avoid action vs them, many ways to do it, decline as you kinda have to go, come back bit later, or make your sessions in bit different times

people who do that gets kicked so still kinda pointless, much easier to let them in lol

ppl doesnt realize what makes u cartel-worthy is how much are u willing to battle regs, not solely how good of a player you are.. if you're top5 in the world but you are trying to bumhunt most of the time u arent useful in a cartel.

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how can you determine if all cartel's members are better than those who apply? a cartel's member plays xx% games against regs and xx% games against fishes while non-cartel player plays 100% against regs so obviously his ROI must be lower even if he's better player!

For what I see, once you get in (and as many cartel's members said: initial selection was rushed and incomplete) it's hard to be expeled unless you violate the cartel's rules. The skill level doesn't matter beacuse once you're in -> you'll not be joined by other members -> other members can't determine if you are good enough + it's easier to have better ROI while being permitted to play fishes from the very beggining.

This is all politics, not poker. If you wasn't present in the right place at the right time ($100 reg while cartels being created), then you're ****ed.

Cartels could be a great initiative for husng but right now it's just too scummy imo

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I try asking again:

if you think some regs don't deserve to be at a particular stakes you can set up sharky to sit them when they opensit. so...why do you need a cartel?

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To enforce others you do share with to do the same. Without cartels, bumhunting is maxEV. Something like a prisoners dilemma if you think about it.

+1001

@genher

I'll try to answer you. It was designed to get rid of pathetic bumhunters and sit-decliners and that is FINE. But I'm worried it got forgotten. Unfortunately the format of cartel is pathology-friendly and can get really nasty if not controlled all the time by proper, genuine, responsible people.

Yes of course, but surely that's why the cartel rules are in place? By following the rules a player has to be useful to the cartel otherwise he will be kicked out and sat. So everyone has to be cartel-worthy.

maybe it is harder to move up but definitely possible; up to 60$s an ambitious player could easily achieve +ev against average cartel member; therefore he can beat the game but not as profitable as he was in the cartel group

Hey guys, please post under your actual usernames, not anonymous names. That goes both for people in these groups and people outside these groups.

If we're going to have a constructive discussion, people should be responsible for what they post, rather than effectively throwing stones at each other from the blind.

PM me if you need a deleted post's content sent to you so you can repost under your regular name, I can provide that no problem.

Hm, believe it or not, that post of mine was genuine.