I doubt they knew any of that when placing him as leader

I said 'proposed' list because it was only that and never actually took effect. I was obviously just making a point about the maybe slightly hypocritical response of the cartel.

And yeah None888 is right. There was never really an actual sit list for the anti cartel that was used. Not leaders, not weak regs, nobody. Cartel regs were battled in a different way.

If individuals chose to sit leaders more frequently (at their own discretion), then I'm you can appreciate the sit list reg's frustration at the situation and hence that response.

Now they do know
He scammed his backers twice

Question should some1 who did that be allowed in a cartel or be hunted by a cartel?
Does some1 like that deserve to get your fish?

I cant answer you that, but if he really wants to pay back, kicking him out would hurt his backers.

That is never a reason to stay in
If he really wants to pay back He could apply for a job at macdonalds or w/e

Otherwise every1 can scam people and then ask to be in cartel so they can pay back

I need to pay rent ect
Would hurt my house owner not to let me in the cartel

You want to play fish? The only solution is this (no mater you are good or bad): get a lot of friends or get stacked. And if you get stacked, try to get stacked by a scammer/leader in the cartel, cause he won't have moral dilemmas about telling the cartel they should sit someone who is destroying your ROI, just cause you have to earn money for backer.
Man there are so many problems with this cartels.

To be honest I got stacked already quite a few times today and still no invitations for any group.

Such a stupid thread... Making cartels to get a kind of unfair advantage ... Yes unfair.

How lazy can you be an actual learn some poker ?

Just think about future, how much r u making now $? How much u wanna do in 5-10 years? And how is that possible if now u r making "cartels"?

I hate this atittude in poker world, if u dont have and edge in the game its because ur stupid /lazy / playing an unbeatable game.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about right?

so if you sit the cartel leader he will put you on the sitting list? the cartel leaders freeroll then and the other do the regbattles.

I would be happy to stack anyone. Just arrange a table and a time.

as long as there is one cartel nothing will change regarding dictatorship

we just need to wait for another grp to organize and let them do "politics" then

Who?

CAP is fine, you just cut the worst regs in the group, and add better regs then them. It makes the group competetive, and not just "mehh, ok I'll play x games vs regs, but whatevs"

You must only play with better regs than you then...

a few pages back

What incentive does that give people already in a group to vote in new regs though?

Phil is quitting poker and coffeyay didnt wanna join afaik...

I havent even read the whole thread but it seems like people outside "know" more about the groups than what is really happening. It is all still in a "developing" stage and changes to better are happening (mostly to better it seems - at least within 100s cartel). I think it still needs time to work optimally although there will probably never be a stage when everybody is happy.

I have no idea about 60s group but thats gonna be SUPER tough to manage and will probably take really a long time to ideally develop.

Has anybody a list of people in there? I imagine an excel file posed in this forum..

What I did see up to 60$ level most cartel members have leaks in their game.. 1/2 members I would rematch for value; so basically no need to worry about at midstakes.

ANYBODY STUDYING THE GAME OVER A COUPLE OF MONTHS WITH DISCIPLINE CAN BEAT THIS LEVEL EVEN WITHOUT BEING IN A CARTEL

yes thats how it works... finally someone revealed the real recipe for getting in

I don't think the idea of a CAP is bad. The whole point of the cartel is to shorten the queues, but if there are too many people in the cartel then the queues wont be significantly shorter.

Maybe something like if a sit list reg can get positive EV over say 2k games against a cartel reg or something they switch places? This way the weaker cartel regs will constantly be targeted but if you are god reg and hence deserving of your spot then you will be left alone. The cartel would be changing, people would forever be striving and needing to improve, and nobody could complain that it is too unfair. Details would need fine tuning, but it would be fairly easy to implement.

Cartel regs are constantly saying in here that good regs will be in, bad will not but still nothing is changing. Then someone like Sman9876 who is for sure better than most people in the cartel is voted not in...

2 SS graphs here filtered for $100 HU hypers

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=15rg...5#.UuU1HJVwbIU

1st is cartel reg, 2nd is sit list reg. How one can be in and the other not is beyond a joke and everyone (including many of the cartel members) knows this.

And a couple more cartel regs who are blocked on SS, go figure

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2utn...5#.UuU355VwbIU

Also cartel regs who read this thread, I would appreciate it if some of you could comment on the comments I made in my post 3 pages back. I'm not trying to provoke, antagonise, or argue. I genuinely just want to see what people have to say.

Nothing is changing? Probably like 10 regs have been voted in since the first mentioning of the HU cartel in sit/decline thread and 3 were kicked out. But yeah nobody mentions the people that got in. Problem is that you will always find some problem with it.

Although I do agree that Sman (and some others) most likely deserves a spot although Im not sure I played him (just judging from his frequent reg play), its not up to the single member to decide. Voting goes as a group... There was even a voting on a voting system and the voting system has been and still is changing.

To be honest, you will always find something wrong with the cartel and will point it out no matter what (I honestly dont know why you care so much if you said that you quit hypers). The group (same as any political party) will never make everybody happy and I dont know how to make it clear.

I didnt read the thread aswell and also didnt really follow the cartel thing I was just made aware of this post...

Dont know about coffeeyay but as pavels said I stopped playing like 1 week ago and already made that decision when the 100s cartel started.
I was asked to join but declined for obvious reasons. Then I got on the sitlist which is perfectly fine because I would just have freerolled otherwise and if the cartel doesnt sit players which are not in, the whole thing doesnt work anymore.

Don't you play micros though? Think I've played you at 7s and below

Weren't they voted in in the first week or so when the cartel had a 'sit this guy and see if he's any good' list and the cartel were actively looking for people? And again weren't these people kicked out at the very beginning stage as well when the cartel was initially forming? Those are not rhetorical questions btw, if I am wrong in my assumptions then please correct me.

Nice logic, no evidence at all to suggest that. I have stated many times that the idea in principle is good for the game. I have said previously that if you make a cartel in a fair way, with players in who are deserving of being in, then I and pretty much everyone else has no problem. And believe me there are many people who care about the cartel situation significantly more than me. I just choose to express it on here.

Thanks for the comments on my posts like I asked, very insightful answers.

Yes I play 7-200$, currently 7 for improving multi table skills

No im talking about people who were voted in from approx 10th of december up till now.

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I havent been around last 2 weeks as I was finishing my uni exams. Honestly Im a bit tired of explaining everything (seeing one sided arguments without knowledge how things actually work). Im not even a leader (thank god) so Im done trying to explain stuff here. Sorry