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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
Hopefully this is a bit of a joke. There should never be a cap or closed registration on a group at any level. If someone is good enough they should get in, if someone is bad enough they should be kicked out.
Also there should not be adding of people just to reach a certain number. Nobody knows how many good regs and bad regs or overall regs there really are, so having some specific # is flawed from the start.
These two things are just my own opinion of course, curious if anyone has a counter point to them.
This sounds pretty fair right? The cartel members were publicly stating when it first happened that it will be fair, that the better $100 regs will eventually be in and the weaker ones out. But clearly nothing is changing.
Sman9876 has a really nice ROI with an av BI much higher than all the $100 cartel regs (
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=110), he also does incredibly well against regs. He was voted 'no' to joining the $100 cartel. Sorry but that is seriously a joke.
At one point, before he tried to join the cartel, he sat some of the $100 regs on FTP and they didn't wanna play him, just declined and stopped sitting that stake. But he's obviously not good enough to make the cut. Actually, I think he only has like 3-4 people in the cartel on Skype, maybe that has something to do with it?
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
There is a natural counter to a group getting out of hand and not letting in good players (but letting in friends who are bad).
If a group of even 5 or 10 good players is not let in, and there are 10+ players far worse than them already in the group, those 5 players can just join up and sit the life out of the 10+ weak members. The 10 weak members have to move down (making it more likely the group lets these 5-10 good guys in), or the 5-10 good guys just do well and make money or the larger group says "hey, these guys are pretty good, lets let some/all of them in." If I was part of that group of good players I'd make it all or nothing though. Of course, good is subjective, but so is everybody's personal opinion of who is bad, decent, good and great.
So in short, it's not like a group with a lot of bad players can just keep a group of good players from making money (if the good players team up and fight back).
As many people know there was an 'anti-cartel' group set up. This was basically a bunch of (former?) $100 regs who had decided to get together to battle the cartel together.
So how does the cartel respond? They say that anyone in the anti cartel will never get into the cartel, and then started threatening to sit their $60s.
One of the proposed strategies of the 'anti-cartel' group was to collectively sit the perceived weaker members of the cartel. The cartel said they thought this was scummy and unethical behaviour. Go figure.
But don't worry, it will be fair, that the better $100 regs will eventually be in and the weaker ones out.
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Originally Posted by none888
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I wont answer on how you get in, but I can say it has nothing to do with who you are friends with or if you are staked by someone in cartel(at least 100s cartel) has democracy and no one can just add someone, every player has to be voted in.
I won't name names here, but wasn't someone in the cartel voted out by it's own members but he ended up staying because he was staked by one of the 'leaders'? I could have my facts completely wrong here and if I do then I apologise but I am just stating what I was told.
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Originally Posted by none888
Also cartel is working on making it more fair, finding and kicking out people who do not deserve place in but that is not easy thing to do.
Glad to hear it. Clearly the general consensus in here is that most people don't have a problem with a cartel and it is a natural evolution of the game, they just have many issues with the way it was done. So if the cartel becomes dynamic and is changing it's members (regularly if needed), then people will be ok with the situation imo. Not 'cap reached, no more members allowed'. If Skai lost all his money and had to start again from the bottom and wanted to join the $100 cartel, I assume you wouldn't let him in because the cap is reached at the moment.
I again wont mention names, about 2 weeks ago I was not doing much so I decided to sit a $100 cartel reg. We played 1 game, and much to my shock he declined. 'Ok ill just wait for him to get another lobby then' I said to myself. But he didn't come back. Then, I see him playing $30s! I wait a bit and he still doesn't come back. So I started playing another $100 reg and lo and behold, he was back in the $100 lobby again. Many people also commented on him in the past saying he just plays 1 game against them and then stops.
So while some people in the cartel are at least doing their job, other members are just freeriding and taking advantage of shorter queues. How he gets his monthly quota of games against regs I'll never know.
As stated many times, I stopped playing HU a few weeks before the $100 cartel started. But nobody really knew this and no one said anything to me about the $100 cartel. I know there is a bit more to it but fwiw, here's my all time $100 graph
But yeah you're right, I don't have any of the cartel leaders on Skype.