Hi guys,

Im finding playing against calling stations in hypers very difficult. Im normally very aggressive raising most of my buttons, cbeting etc and i find that i play well against other players who are aggressive.

The people i lose most too are the total fish, guys that never raise pre-flop and call you down with anything and nothing frequently. Im finding it totally destroys my style of play. I go to only raising with value hands pre, but then when i miss the flop i have no idea what to do. I bet, they call, i fire a 2nd barrel, they call.

I assume the answer is to value bet, but i find it very difficult in a format where you cant just wait for things worth value betting!

How do you guys handle these players? Is it as simple as value betting? What happens if you arent getting any hands??

Thanks,

Obliky

Ive found these alot aswell recently, very annoying..
I suggest just value bet, and overbet if they are going to call.

Yes you will get sucked out on a few times but then the rest you will win, nothing you can do.

If you arnt getting hands, i suggest just shove using the push/fold charts when possible.

I think there are a lot of competent players at the low stakes who are able to adopt passive strats against people who are over aggressive. Limping a wide range on the button and having a good sense of when to call down A high or third pair can be hugely profitable. I think it's a mistake to assume that all the players you describe are fishes.

And, yes just value bet and only bluff super-good spots. If you're not catching hands, just wait - it's not like the villain will put you under pressure

Had the same problem. What helped, was raising less pre (less in general and bit more limping with very weak hands if the opponent is very passive) and firing more third barrles. Those players often hold some gutshot, overcard, bottom pair type hand that cant call 3 barrels.

if they fold >50% oop, u can raise a lot, like 65%-70%

what's is his fold to cbet? <40% just cbet equity (3rd pair+, Open ended and flush draw)

if he fold between 40% and 60%, u can cbet 3rd pair +, OESD, FD, gutshot with overcards)

if he folds >60%, u can cbet all of the flops just cause it so +ev

It is as simple as valuebetting like u said

IP Vs a player who CC >=50% and fold few to Cbet you should OR 35/40% and use a bigger OR size if he is still calling, try 2,5X, if still calling try 3X... then ull have a big pot postflop with a range stronger than him, and you must limp the next 30-40% (medium-weak holdings).
Postflop follow this advice to Cbet and stab: Ty ilovereg

Usually these guys will still fold sometimes. In my experience against calling stations very often our fold equity is greatest on the river...also you can try delay cbetting turns...

Yes, 3Barrel works fine with most of this guys (specially when leverage to push river) and is very profitable, be careful to use in the correct spots and don't abuse. I also like delay Cbet flop to turn when u got nothing...

FYP

I just start 45 my strong hands and limp the rest and play postflop. They are passive and dont force you out of the hand sou you just valuebet than or bluff scary rivers. If you play him couple times I think you find out what works. Just dont mis the value and bet whatever amount becouse they call even overbets.

Yep value betting thin. Raising hands that are ahead of his range. Limping junk etc...

I don't think that 3 barrelling people that don't fold in Hypers is very profitable.

Raise good H, limp middling stuffs and valuebet. Try delayed Cbet.

barreling those people is great since they float and calldown weak draws alot, doesn't matter if they don't like folding pairs if those aren't even big part of range

You must choose the good spots to do that, don't barrel 7c8cTs board! Imagine a guy who is flating 80% and never fold to Cbet, how is his range looks like in turn? and if he even dont fold to to Turn Cbet? how is his range looks like in river? air most of the times, then push river and get a lot of folds with a hugh pot and Check Behind hands with showdown value. The problem of this is that if you do it to often the guy will start pay you on river with very marginal hands, so u can use delayed Cbet sometimes and 3 barrels in the best spots (once again, dont abuse :P)

Against people who have wide preflop OOP range, and both their flop and turn folds are around 33% or less - you have some options:
1)double barrel a LOT, while often betting the river
2)or, cbet mostly for value(pairs, 5outers, etc), while checking down weak SD value(you don't get much fold equity to profit from it, and your equity goes down vs calling range). And not cbet bluffing except for very dry boards or boards + boards that are best for barreling later.
3)you can also use delayed cbet, or river stabs. in my experience, checking down air and making a half pot bet otr works great vs these types of players. And if they call you down on Q-high, you can thin value bet bottom pair type stuff(if you expect them to bet good pairs and better before river)

Also, if you know that they lead out a lot of their value hands(they often do) on the flop - you can valuebet your hands for more streets than usual.

I think OP's problem seems to be that he is on aggressive-mode always. You need many gears to play poker properly, top gear alone is not enough. If you find that a guy doesn't fold easy (a few hands is enough to deduce this, maybe one showdown tops) then adjust. By letting you bet or not, he is giving you all the power...so small-ball them to death. If you are not getting cards, stay small-ball but note that MP/BP/A-high/K-high types become hands you can valuebet so it's not that you have to check/fold away your stack. In hypers this might be frustrating at times when you are card dead but in the long run think about the total control you have over him.

I am v. aggressive by nature, but once I spot a station, I slow it right down, make a note, and look for things he does wrong. Some stations call 2 streets but a triple barrel gets them to fold, some always float, some go all the way to the end, some cannot fold any pair or A-high, some fold to jams pre but will call the same hand down to a triple barrel when they don't hit etc., so in addition I would also suggest breaking down further what a station is, as there are a few variations, and fine-tuning your knowledge of what type of station he is will enable you to exploit him better.

Stations are v. profitable to play against. They are awesome. But I used to have problems with them too.

great post

In my experience, people with calling station tendencies still fold a ton to triple barrels. I actually think I've met total calling stations who never give up like once or twice (though they are probably more common at micro stakes). You should still triple barrel on really good boards for it until he gives you a reason not to. You shouldn't cbet flop (and turn) when you have no equity on bad boards (i.e. probably on the wet side) who won't have good barrel opportunities on turn AND river.

This is how you should play against stations.

3 barreling doesnt need a lot of sucess compared of how many chips you win when he folds on the river. Its totally still worth it

Sometimes youll 3barrel and he folds when he invested 60% of his stack and you just forget about it after it, but when u 3barrel all ur stack and lose it you might feel it was the wrong play but your not looking at the overall EV this strategy is providing you in the long run which im fairly sure its positive.

In case not mentioned: you can limp the weaker part of your range that have worse barrel opportunities. Since they won't attack limps much this allows you to have better control on when the pots are big (ie. generally when you have a strong range).

Thats what i think Sol reader.