the ethical standard seems to go down every year in online poker. probably in a few years from now the regs will lol that PlauZee's action is anything but standard. they'll say "well of course you sit him and blind him down because others would sit you if that happened", or some such amazingly deep logic.

btw that gray sweater thing is gay, not that there's anything wrong with it.

Im kind of amazed this happened. There is no possible way of justifying this at all. Its just pure stealing/theft.

Regs shouldn't steal from other regs, there has to be some level of mutual respect. If some random fish does it - well i mean that **** just happens sometimes and you have to email the site and you might get it back.

Otherwise man the **** up plauzee and send the money back. Geezus - I can't believe someone with supposed morality has the ***** balls to do that. Its disgusting and there should definitely be some form of compensation or some resolution to the matter, rather than being able to keep 14k.

thats not true and i´m pretty sure you know it.

fwiw, even during my 1000 game+ battle v livb, when I was being berated as much as humanly possible, infinite insults to myself, my family, etc., and at times I really HATED livb... if we were playing 1k STs or whatever and he d/c'd and was in 1k/2k/5k, even if I KNEW he wasnt coming back, I would never have blinded him down. So I dunno, there was alot of animosity between us during that battle, prolly more than i've had w/anyone else ever, and I still wouldn't have done this to him.

my 2c

Poker ethics are what you make them unfortunately, all you can do is do what you think is best (for whatever reasons you come up with) and live w/your decisions, most likely everyone you know / the community is going to judge you by them, so just be prepared to be defined by your decisions, its the same for everybody

Not sure if it's worth sacrificing your reputation for 12k, should've sent money to a friends account or something and at least been sneaky about it. Just not worth it. Can't imagine working up the courage to do this knowing the ramifications and backlash. Good way to get sat by regs for a couple weeks straight...

Pretty shocked PlauZee did this. Don't know him that well but from his blog and talking in Skype chats I feel like he knows this is a bad thing to do. Pretty disappointing in my eyes.

And lol at u cnat spel/Coffee N Ciggz participating and giving thoughts/advice ITT. zzzzzzz.

I would have done the same to unknown players and I'm pretty sure a lot regs would still do the same. It's not gentle, but from my point of view what I read and saw last years, it's pretty common.
Sure, there are other regs who even wait to get fish reconnected before blinding him down, but I always said I would do to them what they prolly would do to me.
It's the same in this case, cuz I'm pretty sure things would be the same the other way round. If you have a good relationship to him that's fine - I never had. The reason why I never had any problems with any reg regarding this point is that weren't any problems at all. I sat other discon regs, blinded them down and sent back knowing they would do the same for me.

I'm pretty sure a lot of regs have 1 or 2 exceptions among the community they would do the same to. Sure, it's obvious I was the one who took most of the money from him and I'm fine getting blamed for it. But it's way too easy to say I'm the only one who is thinking that way or make those exceptions.

go **** yourself, scumbag. hope to see your cheap grin getting destroyed soon. would actually pay to see that. die, *******.


edit: and youre a pussy for SELLING action because youre scared he comes back. then denying you dont want to play bjoerni. such a moron.

+ over 9000

I'm pretty sure CC didn't blind piggybank by sitting his games when he was dc,especially with stuff like you pulled.
I mean you sat 2 5k's and 1 2k,straight up stealing if you ask me.It's like when a thief goes to court,he stole 500 judge gives him probation, he stole 12k whole different ball game.

Yeah they have,mostly the other one you have which i'm guessing is stevesbets.But that's no excuse. It's not like there's some golden rule that you can have 2 ppl you can rob blind. People would do that to stevesbets because he does **** like this himself,but when someone sends back to people when they are dc,it's extremely scummy to sit his games and not send back.

Hey there u, I thought u weren't posting in this thread anymore? LOL Trying to save ur reputation u just ****ed up SO bad? I hope this spreads so wide, every1 knows ur a scumbag. I hope all solid hi-stakes regs here hunt u down. Oh and please unlock your sharkscope, I want to keep track of this.

I'm pretty sure when Crimson said he took 5k of the guy he meant when he just disconnected during a game...not him going and looking for piggy in lobbies to sit him while disconnected..and I think you are confusing what is considered standard around here. Looking for a players other lobbies when you know they are disconnected is not standard and never have been around here, only a couple posters think so. If you were playing OP and just blinded him out because you thought he would also blind you out would be fine, but the chances of him or any other regs looking for your lobbies when you are disconnected is pretty slim...

Yeah, because crimson doesn't bumhunt lobbys, he just open sits every high stakes lobby there is.

You could punch me in the face for $14k. But not for $12k, that is completely different.

Only read Plauzee first reply to OP and I have to admit, he was better off not even replying. His justifications were so ****ed up its almost funny. Btw I normally believe its ok to blind someone out, assuming there is no proof on their end of them not reciprocating in the same fashion, but what Plauzee did was flat out wrong.

^^ this

If you're fine being blamed for it, why did you even care to respond again?!?

Just pay the guy back his money and salvage your reputation and admit what you did was wrong. I strongly believe Plauzee wouldn't have done it had he known this would happen. Man up and just own your misguided ways and be done with it.

Not to mention he probably is going to get spite sat by people so karma might catch up with him soon enough anyways.

Not trying to play devil's advocate, but suppose this were the case: PlauZee genuinely believes bjoerni WOULD sit him and blind him out if he was disconnected and open sitting 5k/2k. Would he be crossing any ethical boundaries by doing the same?

I think that's the defense PlauZee is trying to use, albeit not explicitly. For somebody who's had an immaculate track record (AFAIK), this is the only way stealing bjoerni's chips becomes acceptable.

But tbh, I think greed got the better of him. I do not believe it for a second that he really thinks bjoerni would hunt his tables down to blind him out if he were disconnected.

$12,000 is a lot of money and he probably weighed the pros and cons of the situation: "Well, I have a good reputation. I'll use that as a crutch and say bjoerni totally deserves getting blinded out because of our history. I'm such a good guy, people KNOW I'd only blind someone out if I had a good reason. Even if they disagree, they can't fault me too too much. I can live with that. Worst case scenario, this slowly dies and everyone forgets about it. I can live with a cool free $12,000 "

link or story behind this??

Yea, you are not the only scumbag out there, congrats

If he sold action (lol) its complicated to pay back.

funny picture

LOL where the **** is Bob Ross when 2p2 needs him most

I will make sure this doesn't die out

It is a fair question. If it is true that bjoerni has a history blinded others out w/ the sole intention of sending back to their account (and ate the fees) then it is only fair to assume (imo) bjoerni would do the same for PlauZee.

If there were no track record of bjoerni helping other regs at the highstakes SNG's then I think PlauZee would have a more legitimate argument, although it still in my mind wouldn't make it right since at those stakes it is hard for someone to be an unknown to the reg population.

I have no idea what goes on at those levels behind the scenes w/ networking etc, but I would have to imagine that ****ing someone over would be synonymous with getting drunk in a po-dunk town and banging some toothless-wonder girl only to realize the next morning it was your cousin. Another way of putting it is you don't **** where you eat. As primo said, obv everyone has to decide what their ethics are and where the boundaries are set.

It's so funny he closed his blog... its obv because of this heheh... Meaning he knows he's ****ed.

this is really poor by plauzee. telling afterwards bjoerni was just one of two guys he would do that to doesn't mean a lot. you'd say that too to keep what's left of your reputation. so would be interesting to know what happened before between you guys.

Guys, if you say "we'll sit you every time we see you until you pay the money back"...

... that's extortion.