Guys, I love the game but cant say I crush with under 2% ROI on 7.5k sample. It's about 2/3 $3.5s and 1/3 $7 Hypers on stars.

Good man @Hector quadros was kind enough to run over my stats and immediately made very good analytics and everything he found "off" I can agree.

Hope to get some more feedback here from all of you who see something that could cost me few % ROI up as I really want to improve but feel stagnant right now.

I mostly follow the thinking I grasp from Lotte Lenyas video pack pre and flop. No GTO experience.








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we 3bet


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This filter was posted by none888 in another thread...

Taking a quick look, you are waaaaaay too tight, and you can see it in your red line.
SB vpip should be atleast 90%, for example mine on sb is 95%, and also BB vpip should be higher but at least its not crazy low as on SB.
This alone prob will give you atleast 1% in ROI if not more.
Fold vs cbet in limp pots also seems very high and probing on bb is also super low.
Those are spots that stands out the most, at least for me.

Up there was wrong filter, this is all games. Same insight tho.

No way man, really?

imagine, at the moment you are basically folding away your chips preflop almost every fifth hand.
While just raising SB vpip will increase your roi for sure, on BB its not so simple, no point playing more hands if you are going to just fold or check them down, you also have to work on your postflop game.
But your BB game is not the issue right now, almost 4bb/100 is not good but that is not bad, while 3.5bb/100 on SB is just tragic. Imagine adding 3.5bb/100 on SB, which is roughly 1% roi and even than 7bb/100 is still not good winrate for SB, Id even call it bad.
Its obv hard to estimate, but its clear you are folding pre a LOT of your EV.

How much should be a good vpip for the BB?

Kinda hard to say, depends a lot on payers post flop game.
If I get it right from hud stats, we are playing ~55% vs minraise when not very shallow?
Id say 70% would be good starting point. But again depends on postflop game, no point flatting weak hands if we are going to play hit or miss game post.

Oh, nice. Thanks for the explanation None. And how do I know how much my red line should be down? If it's a lot down, means that I am not barreling enough? And how do I know how much is enough? Thanks Thanks

This is hard question, and tbh I dont know.
Red line generally depends on how stationary and how aggressive you are. So it depends on your style.
I have seen graphs with break even blue line and super high red line with good ROIs, but never with super good ROI, and I have seen graphs with huge blue line and bad red line with very good rois. So my guess would be that most likely you shouldnt be worried if your red line is going down, but very bad red line is also not good imo, but how much losing on red line is too much I dont know.

I can post 2 graphs for some insight, both are only vs fish at low stakes - 15s/30s, higher its hard to filter due reg battling.
First is from older times, when there was mentality that 3% is good and 5% is super good roi for hypers and max roi is capped somewhere at 6-7%

Second one is after I met someone who convinced me that roi for hypers is capped somewhere bit over 10%, which at first seemed to me ridiculous.
Than after bunch of work, studying and coaching, I started to see that 10%+ at hypers are def possible.
And I know I still have a ton of leaks and a lot of room to improve.

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Blue line is basically same, but red line is waaay better, even break even for last 4k games.
And if I have to name biggest changes in gameplay, than now I play waaay more aggressive and more stationary on BB.
I used to flat some Ax or check back pre, now I never do it, always 3bet or iso. Turn, river probe is something like 3 times higher in 2nd graph, folding less to cbets, barrels etc and also wider preflop ranges, basically playing more loose agressive.

^^ Wow, very impressive!

FS, wrong filter also in this one in the original post. Here are all hands. 6.5bb from SB. maybe I am not clinically dead yet

And none, when you speak about how u improved lately you told us about specific things you changed and say u worked hard and studyed.
How does that look like? Have u been analysing your game with PT4? Any tips for us wich filters and spots to look for? How much would solvers help to improve? Thank you!

play any two cards preflop & you'll do a lot better, just limp everything you're folding now

then make your limpstab and cbet 100%, and double barrel almost always

I can say with full sincerity that Chadders' video pack gave better results than this.

In any case, it's as good time as any to realize, or remind yourself, that the game of poker is vast in its complexity. Of course you have more to learn, and of course you play poorly compared to how well one could play. This much does not vary with video packs.

In the end though, it's important to remember that the goal of poker is simple: to maximize your profits over time. If you're not working towards that, then you're going to be working towards something entirely different and likely unattainable.

In the case of the moment of actually playing poker that generally reduces to maximizing the realization of value inherently dealt to you for each and every poker situation you face. Ie maximizing your EV.

Examine the EV of each and and every hand you play in search of the maximal value line averaged over all the possible situations that hand could find itself in. You will inevitably find places of ignorance, just waiting for you to stumble upon them so that they can be converted into places of knowledge within your poker game. In this way you can grow as a player and improve your outcomes.

Good luck!

Dont get me wrong, I am not saying anything negative about the pack I refered to or that it would only deliver those results. Its me not applying the knowledge to the table well enough but the concepts in it bring, as far as I can judge that, everything that you want to consider on pre and on flops+ very well in theroy and examples. I just sucked in the charts and videos again and after lots of games played the theory gets more viable. Also the HUD shown is something new in my arsenal and villains tendencies are now easier to see and plan actions from there.

Thanks!!!

Do you mean the very old Chadders HUSNG Movies & Theory pack? or has there been a new one?

l.e. - I'm asking because a while back (maybe 2010 ish?) I purchased one of the HUSNG packs done by Chadders of 10 vids - wondering whether it's the same or has been redone.

thanks

2012 I believe, but yea the 10 video one is the pack. I think it was updated once after 2012, but it's basically a fundamental hyper turbo pack. These days, it'll be good for a foundation for a beginner getting into the game on how to think (thinking in terms of ranges, thinking in terms of how ranges and positional value changes at different effective stack sizes, risk of ruin, etc.).

Thanks! - Actually think you coached me for a few hours around 2013

@OP have you made any changes to your gameplay? care to post an update when you get 1k games+? - curious of how it's going

yes, I played the last week with 86% (+9%) SB. Why is it difficult to go 90+? Its easier to turn it up early stages but I think there are situations shallow where I am too tight. However it feels already much wider by now and I am very allerted ingame.

Postflop I want to see why I am folding so much to limpcbets. Looking for spots where I miss to play backdoor equity and consider blockers. I played with filters in PT4 to replay this spot.

New HUD helps me a lot to see tendencies and built counterstrats.

Talk more poker in skype to someone who is better than me.

As none mentioned I look to play Ax OOP more agressive because I also checked back or called quiete a few, giving more ISO and 3b shoves now with an eye on their stats.

Probeing I havent looked at too much yet for my own bets but quiete a bit in order to exploit if villain is probing too much or not enough.

I will post stats once again, maybe if I filled op 10.000 games and see how the stats developed over those 2.500 games.

Thanks again for everyone who contributes here

Stumbled about the following 'gto' opening hand charts, maybe they will help:

https://www.pokersites.io/heads-up-h...e-flop-charts/

Would also be curious what's the opinion of others. From SB they suggest a very limpy game which didn't work for me when I tried. Have no stats (playing on untracked website) but I felt lots of limping reduces fold equity to cbets.

Those ranges are pretty reasonable gtoish approximations that match pretty closely with other pre solves I've seen.

That doesn't mean you should copy them vs weak recreationals, but in general we should do a good chunk of limping from the sb, yes.

Go trough your database, check how people play. Check stats, check ranges, check different board textures, check whatever you can think of.

For example, if you check how much people fold vs river stabs on sb when hand is checked down, very likely you are going to see something like 50%+ folds, now filter for hands when you have air on BB , how much are you betting in that spot? if your bet is not something like 90%+, than congratz you found a leak.

Or what do you call vs random when he is probing river, what do you call when pot size probe is used? Filter that spot, take a paper and a pen and go trough every single hand, write down what they are doing, get a range and play in some software to get idea about your calling ranges.

Of course dont use them blindly, first of all you should have some idea how random plays, later you can adjust, like someone is playing tighter than avg player, than tighter your ranges etc

Imo solvers should be used very carefully, they can help you to understand game better but in the same time can hurt it badly. For example gto almost doesnt probe crap hands, but vs random on many textures you should probe 100% of your air, something gto would never do.

I just posted that I never ever check back or flat Ax. This is an easy fix, just
auto shove/raise all Ax whatever their stats are, sure once in a while you will
3bet jam into very strong minraise ranges, but it will be better than overthinking and flatting too much.
This could also answer why its so hard to play more hands on SB.
Just do it.
Obviously its not so simple on SB, its fine to start with slight increase in vpip to get used to weaker postflop ranges. But after that simply just do it, dont overthink.
Over 10bb you should openfold ONLY when you have a very strong suspicion they are ISOing 40%+.
If its like 3/6 or even 4/8 isos, thats just not enough, could be easily good run of cards. Will you run in to maniac time to time and was limping 72o vs this guy very bad? Sure, but still better than folding too much.

dear followers, I finished my 10.000th match yesterday and wanted to post an update about the biggest changes I made to my game until now. Aside from tweeking my frequencies a big thing was adding a 2nd table as I was singletabling all matches before.


SB Pre:

VPIP 86 (+9%) total. I am 90%+ at the early stages. Need to look over my shallow play, too tight still. Limp has gone up to 59 (+20%) but I MR less 13% (-11%).

SB Post:

Cbet F is still about same for MR/Limped but delayed Cbets in limped pots is huge +25% to now 59% total.

I saw that I lose many bb in the spot "call iso". Are you guys positive? How do you think about calling an NAI iso?

BB Pre:

No changes. But another ISO question. Looks like I gain lots of chips for ISOing. Would be curious about ISO stats from you, NAI/AI per stackdeph.

BB Post:

I probe more in limped pots at turn 47 total (+13%) and river 33 (+10%), MR pots turn same but river another +14% to 45 total.

The Ax are always ISO or 3bet now.

I played with PT4 and learned to make reports for PRE/POST MR/limped, Herostats and general population. And quickfilters for any spot I think I should look at. They help me review after a session and ingame to focus to not oversee moves in scenarios I focus on.

I am much more willing to stab my Air now wich I just gave up without trying before. Specially in BB and limped pots.

Wow, good job imo
Did your winrate improved as assumed?

EV ROI is still meh, maybe its the sample. Game feels expanded by those new weapons and more initiative. I like it