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10-24-2020 , 11:52 AM

pensodasolo

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SB (Hero): 546 (9 bb)
BB: 954 (16 bb)

Pre-Flop: (90) Hero is SB with 6♦ 6♥
Hero calls 30, BB checks

Flop: (120) 3♣ 4♠ 4♦ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 80, BB calls 80

Turn: (280) Q♣ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 154, BB raises to 814 (all-in), [b]Hero

I block 6-5. he doesn't have much draws as he would push pre A5

Last edited by pensodasolo; 10-24-2020 at 12:01 PM.

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10-24-2020 , 11:56 AM

evqualizer

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Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 108

id bet smsller OTT, easy 2 fold vs chk jam.

/// I'd call A9o+ A6s+ 55+ ///

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10-24-2020 , 12:26 PM

HokieGreg

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Size smaller turn. I expect 3X to x/jam flop a ton and we block a lot of draws, so there's very little potential protection spew from villain. Folding turn, even though we are getting very good odds.

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10-24-2020 , 12:37 PM

HokieGreg

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I would probably size like 33% pot turn fwiw. There's really not a ton for us to get value from w bigger sizings, and there's a lot of villains who always x/r 3x on flop AND never x/r 4x.

Btw OP, I'm loving the new format for hand histories opposed to raw text format

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10-24-2020 , 01:13 PM

pensodasolo

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I used to bet big with small over pair and make little sizes with the big ones that need less protection. is that wrong?

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10-24-2020 , 01:24 PM

HokieGreg

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Originally Posted by pensodasolo

I used to bet big with small over pair and make little sizes with the big ones that need less protection. is that wrong?

Depends on the situation. If we bet 2/3 pot here w 66 on turn were essentially bluffing - not nearly enough hands continue vs us that we beat. Protection is an important consideration for betting, but it’s not going to be the primary factor in decisions either imo.

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10-24-2020 , 09:23 PM

Vvvvv

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I think, that jam pre should do better. Unless you have a strong read, that he is spewy vs limps.

Also, if he likes to lead otf, than jamming is even better.

But that is just what I think, I am not sure. Maybe villains will make enough mistakes post flop to justify limping. I am interested what others think about this.

As played, I would just bet 1bb otf and check turn. Because it sux when villain raises ott. And he may slowplay a bunch of trips.

As Hokie said - we dont need much protection and I think, that betting is too thin.

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10-25-2020 , 10:54 AM

none888

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Originally Posted by Vvvvv

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10-25-2020 , 11:43 AM

evqualizer

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Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 108

population does make alot of mistskes postflop and even more so when shallow. FvLCB for example.
also more mistakes pre as stacks get shallower.
they will ISOS stuff that would rarely call an OS.
will limp 66 until 6eff np.
10+ stakes should hold decent amount of regulars aswell vs whom do not want to OS em nice pairs.
/// I'd call A9o+ A6s+ 55+ ///

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10-25-2020 , 01:34 PM

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NotImpressed

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seems like a f vs ch/ship , doesnt seem to much bluffs people with ship here.

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