One way you can move up the ranks reasonably fast when running well is to move up aggressively, but move down defensively. That is, once your BR hits a certain point, retool the numbers below that point so you drop your level pretty quickly if you start losing.

You can massage the numbers how you like, but I tend to operate on a 10BI moveup, and a 50BI level for retooling. That is to say, when I have more than 10BI at a level, I move to that level, and drop down if drop below it. However, when I hit 50BI for any level, I retool the bankroll numbers below that so I operate a dropdown at 50BI of that level.


Example:
Starting bankroll $15

I play $1 games (yes, there are 1.05s if you look around), until I hit $20, then I move up to $2.1s, and move down if I fall below $20). I continue at this until $50, at which point I retool the BR to be:


BR Level
0-50 1.05
50-100 5.25

When I hit $100, it retools to:

BR Level
0-50 1.05
50-100 2.10
100-200 10.5
200-250 21


when I hit $250, I now have 50BI at $5, so I again retool

BR Level
0-50 1.05
50-100 2.10
100-250 5.25
250-300 21
300-500 31.5

Again, at 500, you retool as you have 50BI at $10:

BR Level
0-50 1.05
50-100 2.10
100-250 5.25
250-500 10.5
500-1K 52.5

It may seem nitty, but I like the hope of moving up fast, combined with the very low ROR once you get your first $50.



You can of course continue this, but I prefer easing off the x10BI/moveup once you hit $100 games, and I would tend to stick to $100 right up to 5K. I will however retool the underlimits as I hit the 50BI mark (eg at 2,500, you have 50x$50)

You can also adopt this pretty easily to ring games, or pick your own minimum BI you want to move up at+your own xxBI level to retool at to suit yourself.

I call it Muad'Dib (Moving Up Aggressively, Down Defensively, Is Best)

db

first in epic thread

haha ****ing awesome.

Why do you drop down so far for retooling? Why is this better than something simpler like play the highest stake you have at least 10 BI for? Personally I think losing a 5.25 when I'm at $50 and having to go back and play a ton of $1s is not going to be fun.

There is very, very, very little chance of ruin using this once you get your first $50, unless you're definitely a losing player. Secondly, it really protects your BR from downswings, but allows you to progress fast through the levels you crush.




But it's just one alternative. It might fit your personal psychology better than a 20BI or 50BI standard BR management approach, say. Just consider it another tool in the toolbox, imo.

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So you play $2 games until you get $50, then you move down to $1 games?

Can you spell that phonetically so I can pronounce it? I want to make it part of my vocabulary.

did you start with your name for the system then work backwards by any chance DB?

Sticky please.

Every time someone new creates a bankroll thread, I suggest we recommend Muad'Dib.

Not exactly. You stay at $2, but move down to $1 if you fall below 50.

tricky. Kinda like Mu-wad Deeb, but said fast.

The general principle can be extended to having your 'seed BR' and 'gamble BR'. Here, your seed BR is your 50BI you need to protect, whilst the gamble BR can be anything you want it to be in terms of buyins, right up to the next level of 50BI

An extreme example is you get to $50, and that becomes your seed BR at $1 games.


Now, anything you win above $50 can be used to gamble right up to the next level, which, in this case, is $100 for $2 (or if you have $100 @ $2, the next level is $250 @ $5)


You could take it to the extreme, and just play the maximum game you have for the amount over $50 every game, until you drop back to $50, or have climbed to $100

example:

at $50, you enter a $2 game, win, and do this two more times in a row. That's now a buyin for a 5.25 + change, and you win that. You know have a clear BI for a $10.5.... and so on.


The principle also holds for cash games.

This is way more gamble-y, but kinda fun.




I hope this is clear.

For those who aren't familiar with the term, "Muad'Dib" is a reference to the main character in the "Dune" novels written by Frank Herbert.

Like the concept, btw.

Yeah and if you don't wanna grind out teh lowstakes just read a chapter of the qur'an and you can buy-in with your full bankroll. Kind of a gamble, but meh.

A liberal interpretation of the sacred muad'dib.

The more gamble-y route is better suited to whichever of your games is less variance. This is usually ring games for most players, I suspect, and probably not the best way to build in more swingy forms of HU, such as fast turbo SNGs.


Another description I apply to this approach is 'pulling the ladder up behind you', FWIW.

pronounced for you about twenty times itc.

poty for 2009

Was it a bad idea to start this thread on Christmas eve?

The only thing better might have been Christmas morning, so we could all enjoy it as the amazing gift that it clearly is.

I'm pretty sure you should be patting your belly, saying "ho ho ho."

I don't really understand the retooling and stuff, it's complicated. Can someone explain it to me?

Okay briefly


Once you have fifty BI at a specific level {your `seed` BR} feel free to gamble it up with any money above those fifty buyins

Never gamble it up below that fifty


One you get fifty at the next level then that become your new `seed` BR of fifty buyins which you carefully preserve

Catchy BR management strategy. One question though. How would you suggest figuring MTTs into this? Woul you just treat them normally with a max of 100-200 BI depending on how aggressive you're managing your BR?

You woudln't. I'm sure the MTT forum has threads about BR strat for MTTs.

Actually, I ran across a multi-game bankroll strat the other day on another site. It was posted by jennifear, google her with some keywords and you'll find it.

Where?
I might deposit 15$ somewhere and just try this BM strategy but I just don't feel like doing this with my main bankroll.

ipoker?

This would be a terrible strategy for MTT BRM. It really suits given the following conditions:

1) The game you're playing is 1 tabling (or 2-tabling, max)
2) You feel confident you're a solid winner at that game
3) You are nitty enough to want 50BI's preserved (or some reasonably high number), but have the demon of gambling in your psyche.